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Neville Southall, celebrity transgender supporter, disses JKR

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Shedbuilder · 15/09/2020 11:19

Neville Southgate is a former famous footballer who has just published a sort of memoir/ manifesto. (No, I'm not a soccer fan and I wasn't aware of him) Neville believes in souls and secret inner selves. He doesn't seem to have much of a clue about biology, but that doesn't stop him telling women that they're wrong.

It comes from this in the Guardian today:

www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/15/neville-southall-everton-keeper-boris-johnson-jk-rowling-loose-cannons

*Southall veers away from football stories to his enduring concern for people in the transgender community. “Lots of people think it’s a sin to be trans,” he says. “I looked at JK Rowling’s reaction to transgender women. She above everybody knows what fantasy is. So she must be able to imagine that some people are born in the wrong bodies. We never question a child that is born as a cojoined twin. But we question that somebody can be born in the wrong body. That happens because we can’t see in somebody’s brain, or soul, to understand how they feel.

“I don’t know everything there is to know about trans people, which is why I am always trying to learn more. But I know people should be allowed to live the lives they want within reason. If you’re born into a male body but you feel so strongly that you’re a female, why should I stop you? Your body is just a shell. You have a right to discover your real self.

If somebody wants to do the whole transition it’s a big operation. Mentally it takes incredible courage. So what JK Rowling said doesn’t help. She’s sold loads of books and she’s obviously got talent but maybe she’s of an age where she doesn’t have knowledge about trans issues and maybe she’s scared of it. If you don’t understand something and you start talking out loud against it that’s dangerous.”*

The most dangerous thing, Mr Southgate, is idiots like you talking misogynist rubbish about things you confess to knowing nothing about.

PS I've previewed and tried to embolden or italicise the speech a dozen times and it just won't work for me.

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SunsetBeetch · 15/09/2020 16:31

NS is a great support of LGBT rights and has been for many many years. If you think that is an easy thing to in football, you are wrong. He has been abused and attacked for some of things he has said and continues to be.

Big Nev hasn't been 'in football' for a long time. If he has been attacked for the things he has said, it hasn't made him any more tolerant of people with differing views.

I stand by my opinion that Nev, like a lot of men (such as Frankie Boyle) is using trans rights to try and wipe away their questionable pasts ( Nev treated his wife, daughter and mistress appallingly by all accounts) whilst still being able to give women shit. Easiest hussle around: just repeat the standard mantras and call GC names and be lauded for it (on shitter at least).

SunsetBeetch · 15/09/2020 16:25

@boatyardblues

The voice I hear when I read those quotes from Nev in the OP is Barry Shitpeas from Charlie Brooker’s Screenburn.
YES Grin
CasuallyMasculine · 15/09/2020 16:17

She’s sold loads of books and she’s obviously got talent

Oh dear.

tellmewhentheLangshiplandscoz · 15/09/2020 16:13

Lord give me strength but I am so so bloody tired of twatty males telling women what can they can think, feel and say.

Cheese pushing back against any those attempting to silence women does not make one a "hater. JKR and other women are getting their fair share of abuse and attacks when they question this ideology ... can you link to where you've spoken out against this treatment of women? Otherwise it feels like you believe a woman's treatment doesn't matter.

Cailleach1 · 15/09/2020 16:13

He is 62 and basically saying JKR should be dismissed because she is an old bag who's past it. He calls her a 'wicked witch' on his twitter. Certain men really think that women just shut up and let men do whatever the hell they want? And they are just wicked witches if they don't. But how wonderful he can admit she is talented. I'm sure this means a lot coming from .... who is he again?

Oh and he supports sex workers and Trans people. That is on his blurb. Not supports programmes to improve the lives of sex workers. Just supports sex workers. And rainbows with 'Feminism' written at the top. If a man says it, it must be true.

Yeah, not buying it.

Siablue · 15/09/2020 16:08

@Collidascope

Jedward and Neville Southall. I'm sure with intellectual titans like that to lecture her, JKR will soon see the error of her ways.
If they have read as many books between the three of them as JKR has actually written I will fall down in shock.
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WhereYouLeftIt · 15/09/2020 15:44

"he comes from a place of wanting ppl to be accepted for who they are and not for what they are."

Unless of course 'who they are' is women, in which case they can STFU.

talesofginza · 15/09/2020 15:31

"... But we question that somebody can be born in the wrong body. That happens because we can’t see in somebody’s brain, or soul, to understand how they feel."

--> If no one can 'see inside' the soul or brain of an individual, then trans people really must be quite special indeed if they can see inside the souls and minds of all women on earth and judge that they are of them and that they understand womanhood in any sense.

"I don’t know everything there is to know about trans people, which is why I am always trying to learn more."

How much do you know about women, Neville?

"Your body is just a shell."

Thanks for answering my question. What a joke!

Swallowzandamazons · 15/09/2020 15:17

I'm sure the differences between TW and women would be glaringly obvious if he was after a shag....

terryleather · 15/09/2020 15:15

he's clearly doing a bit of cross dressing at home isnt he?

I would hazzard a guess that this would explain an awful lot of male reactions to all of this, probably much more than one might suspect...

boatyardblues · 15/09/2020 15:09

The voice I hear when I read those quotes from Nev in the OP is Barry Shitpeas from Charlie Brooker’s Screenburn.

Shedbuilder · 15/09/2020 15:06

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Cheeseandwin5 · 15/09/2020 14:37

Wow, seems to be alot of haters out there, making ridiculous claims about NS based on his look, gender and career. All things we were all trying to fight against for years.
NS is a great support of LGBT rights and has been for many many years. If you think that is an easy thing to in football, you are wrong. He has been abused and attacked for some of things he has said and continues to be.
You may not believe all he has to say ( and some of the stuff I dont) but he comes from a place of wanting ppl to be accepted for who they are and not for what they are.

Nestme · 15/09/2020 14:29

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SisterCellophane · 15/09/2020 14:25

"Your body is just a shell" says man whose career and public voice are based on his body...

JanMeyer · 15/09/2020 14:21

Um, do goalkeepers head the ball a lot?

Not as much as outfield players but they do get hit in the face a lot, so, point still stands.

It's very telling how he only talks about men feeling like they're really women. Does he not know transmen exist, or are they just not important enough for him to mention because they're women?

Collidascope · 15/09/2020 14:17

Jedward and Neville Southall. I'm sure with intellectual titans like that to lecture her, JKR will soon see the error of her ways.

SunsetBeetch · 15/09/2020 14:15

@Thingybob

How can JKR still believe she is right when so many intelligent, talented, wise men are speaking up?
Fuckingell, it's really Hasbeens' Day Out, innit?
IheartJKR · 15/09/2020 14:14

*has

IheartJKR · 15/09/2020 14:14

JKR is not only committed the sin of being a woman with an opinion.... but disgustingly...she’s of an age.

The ultimate sin.

Thingybob · 15/09/2020 14:13

How can JKR still believe she is right when so many intelligent, talented, wise men are speaking up?

Neville Southall, celebrity transgender supporter, disses JKR
Collidascope · 15/09/2020 14:12

@KimberWozRobbed

I grew up in the town where Southall lives and I stopped walking my dog near his house because he definitely knows what a teenage girl is.
😬 How old was he? And was he a bit lechy or was it more than that?
Thelnebriati · 15/09/2020 14:01

You must read it, its unintentionally hilarious.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200915125950/www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/15/neville-southall-everton-keeper-boris-johnson-jk-rowling-loose-cannons" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200915125950/www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/15/neville-southall-everton-keeper-boris-johnson-jk-rowling-loose-cannons

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