Neville Southall, celebrity transgender supporter, disses JKR

Surely whatever your sex, gender or other, you can defend people’s right to be what they believe to themselves to be?

No one can have a right to actually BE what they themselves believe themselves to be. You can respect their right to believe what they want to, but that doesn't make them actually what they want to be. There is a huge difference.

JKR, as do I, believes in the right of trans people to express themselves as they wish. So if a man wants to express himself according to stereotypes normally associated with women, then he should absolutely be able to do that.

If he wants to believe himself that that makes him a woman, the he should be able to do that.

What that person absolutely does not have the right to do, is expect everyone else to believe that that makes him a woman, and have the laws changed accordingly.

Typical narcissistic TRA. Nothing more, nothing less.

This was a very incoherent article but I took away from it that the two types of women that this bloke had any time for were 'sex workers' and trans women.
He view of women is profoundly male centered.

"Jolly family man Neville Southall has successfully sued his daughter for £55,000 worth of trophies. Southall gave the memorabilia to her when she was 10, but now wants them back. "I'm devastated," his daughter Sam said. "I idolised my dad. I don't know how I'll pay the costs [which amount to £5,000].""

www.theguardian.com/football/2007/dec/03/thefiver.sport

Oh that was the guy who gave his Twitter Thread over to a "TransBaby" and despite having to pull the thread due to the rather sickening Pedophillic Fetishism on display, still doubled down on "All Trans Identities are Valid" the problem with that, is there is some 'identities' that are clearly covered in the DSM -5 under Transvestic Disorders, some of traits being narcissistic identity and sexual Paraphillia.

Now, I don't think 6 weeks has passed since my 3rd & final warning by MNHQ about not being respectful towards the "Trans Umbrella" but I have spent my life working to safeguard children & young people and have come across my fair share of predatory males and their DSM-5 described Paraphillia .... MN should Not be silencing Mothers, Teachers, Social Workers and Psychologists who know way more about the men who engage in these Paraphillic practises and use cross dressing as Women & Kids to groom.

Neville is not the brightest of lights and is exactly the sort of man these Paraphillics manipulate. It's way past time that Old School Transexuals were given a platform to be open about just who is hiding within Stonewalls Trans Umbrella because every Transexual I have spoken to is fully aware of the reality of not gate keeping.

I now expect to be deleted for good by MN because I have zero respect for "Transgenderism" nor those who promote incest based queer theory.

I'm half convinced that the most vociferous "TWAW" men feel very uncomfortable around their feminine brothers.

My question is:

Is he aware of the %/per AND actual numbers of males who declare themselves women/female who decline/refuse "bottom surgery" (colloquial verbiage for amending their penises to mimic the vulvic area of females) in the UK, Ireland, Diaspora and worldwide?

Females who wish to expand into masculinity - and males who wish to expand into femininity; does he support their them to remain in their correct sex-segregated spaces without prejudice?

EG Ultra feminine men should feel - and be - safe in their male sex segregated areas.

A general note:

A man who makes girls, teenage girls and women uncomfortable to be around needs avoiding at all cost. Including their 21st century computer online spewings.

@SoManyActivities
But he was talking about men transitioning into women and women transitioning into men. Surely whatever your sex, gender or other, you can defend people’s right to be what they believe to themselves to be?

“It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt” ― Mark Twain.

I'll listen to a footballer on equality when he's proven he's done his bit to make football a safe place for men to be black and gay, which it still isn't. And that's before even touching on women's football.

This, a hundred times over. There are currently no out gay top flight male footballers. None, nada, zilch, niente. That's how gay friendly men's professional football is. Maybe Nev could put a bit of effort into that instead of woke-scolding a successful woman.

(The women's game is a lot more accepting of lesbians, but even so, when I played - on a majority gay team - my team-mates regularly used to get homophobic abuse when the ref was out of earshot.)

Firstly he wasn’t telling women that they are wrong. He was telling a woman that she was wrong. Is it misogynistic to tell a woman she is wrong?

When a man is telling a woman that she is wrong about what a woman is, then yeah, I would say that's a leeeeeetle bit misogynistic.

In fact, its one of the 'rules of misogyny' :

Men are whatever men say they are, and women are whatever men say they are.

Firstly he wasn’t telling women that they are wrong. He was telling a woman that she was wrong. Is it misogynistic to tell a woman she is wrong? Can women never be wrong? Also, he didn’t claim to know nothing about the subject just that he didn’t know it all and was trying to learn more. Plus his name is Southall not Southgate. So when criticising someone it may just be a good idea to get yer facts right.

Why do I get the feeling that Neville comes from the 'I see them as women except for relationship purposes' school of thought?

If my body was just a shell, I'd be a hermit crab looking to downsize.

Nominate this for quote of the thread!

Wow, seems to be alot of haters out there, making ridiculous claims about NS based on his look, gender and career.

Do you not get the irony of this statement? That's literally what our Nev is doing to JKR.

If you think that is an easy thing to in football, you are wrong.

I'll listen to a footballer on equality when he's proven he's done his bit to make football a safe place for men to be black and gay, which it still isn't. And that's before even touching on women's football.

He has been abused and attacked for some of things he has said and continues to be.

Just like he's doing to JKR.

You may not believe all he has to say ( and some of the stuff I dont) but he comes from a place of wanting ppl to be accepted for who they are and not for what they are.

In this case he is ignorant and threatening women's rights. Women, funnily enough, aren't very happy about that.

The barrel that the Guardian scrapes is apparently bottomless.

Well I suppose I could try and float off into another body the next time I find myself floating above myself

Always thought it was just a weird dream ....

Big Nev should perhaps take some lessons from JK in dignity and composure, considering his online tantrums when he gets called out (i.e. when the TRA who took over his account told lies about the Speakers Corner assault, and the adult baby takeover fiasco).

Odd, Mumsnet said my post violated their guidelines. Let's try again: it's amazing that Neville is not challenged at all in that interview. Some of the things he says are very confused . I suppose this is the problem with being a celebrity - you can just say whatever you want and no one counters it. I have no idea what 'conjoined twins' have to do with trans people, for example. I can't even fathom what he was trying to get at with this comparison. And it's the same with the 'born in the wrong body' trope - what does this even mean? Is he suggesting we are floating souls and our souls can accidentally get trapped inside a body not meant for them?

This is a man paid to jump around on grass while people kick balls at him. Mmmm.

@KimberWozRobbed (though not surprised, sadly - the overlap between "wokebeard scold of women" and "wouldn't want to be alone in a lift with" is quite large).

lucky Nev has never done that eh?? played the ball not the woman...oh wait, he did exactly that! played the woman not the ball - personal is where he went so personal is the response

TRA can send death threats, rape threats, physically intimidate woman at meetings, try and get people sacked from their jobs, dox, harrass and encourage people to burn books while we apparently have to rise above all of this and only behave in a quiet dignified manner

bollocks to that

*GC WOMEN that should say.