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Neville Southall, celebrity transgender supporter, disses JKR

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Shedbuilder · 15/09/2020 11:19

Neville Southgate is a former famous footballer who has just published a sort of memoir/ manifesto. (No, I'm not a soccer fan and I wasn't aware of him) Neville believes in souls and secret inner selves. He doesn't seem to have much of a clue about biology, but that doesn't stop him telling women that they're wrong.

It comes from this in the Guardian today:

www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/15/neville-southall-everton-keeper-boris-johnson-jk-rowling-loose-cannons

*Southall veers away from football stories to his enduring concern for people in the transgender community. “Lots of people think it’s a sin to be trans,” he says. “I looked at JK Rowling’s reaction to transgender women. She above everybody knows what fantasy is. So she must be able to imagine that some people are born in the wrong bodies. We never question a child that is born as a cojoined twin. But we question that somebody can be born in the wrong body. That happens because we can’t see in somebody’s brain, or soul, to understand how they feel.

“I don’t know everything there is to know about trans people, which is why I am always trying to learn more. But I know people should be allowed to live the lives they want within reason. If you’re born into a male body but you feel so strongly that you’re a female, why should I stop you? Your body is just a shell. You have a right to discover your real self.

If somebody wants to do the whole transition it’s a big operation. Mentally it takes incredible courage. So what JK Rowling said doesn’t help. She’s sold loads of books and she’s obviously got talent but maybe she’s of an age where she doesn’t have knowledge about trans issues and maybe she’s scared of it. If you don’t understand something and you start talking out loud against it that’s dangerous.”*

The most dangerous thing, Mr Southgate, is idiots like you talking misogynist rubbish about things you confess to knowing nothing about.

PS I've previewed and tried to embolden or italicise the speech a dozen times and it just won't work for me.

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Sexnotgender · 16/09/2020 11:30

[quote zanahoria]^Hang on a sec can we just rewind:
Neville Southall sued his own daughter^

Yes, he gave her his football medals and shirts when she was ten then wanted them back when she was nineteen.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-499399/Footie-legend-sues-daughter-return-trophies.html[/quote]
Wow... what a lovely man.

zanahoria · 16/09/2020 11:27

^Hang on a sec can we just rewind:
Neville Southall sued his own daughter^

Yes, he gave her his football medals and shirts when she was ten then wanted them back when she was nineteen.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-499399/Footie-legend-sues-daughter-return-trophies.html

Sexnotgender · 16/09/2020 11:07

@CasuallyMasculine

Isn’t everybody non-binary?

I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who confirms 100% to the stereotype of their gender.

Of course they are. Unfortunately that doesn’t sit well with the people who need to feel different and special.
CasuallyMasculine · 16/09/2020 10:59

Isn’t everybody non-binary?

I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone who confirms 100% to the stereotype of their gender.

Horizons83 · 16/09/2020 09:26

Hmm.. I've just noticed that the OP of the Facebook post I have responded to, and who called me a Karen (since deleted) is the local Green party candidate. That says a lot. Now another person has jumped in and is coming up with nonsensical things to my statement that I do not think Self-ID is a good idea, such as 'what about non-binary people, hmm?' Er, yeah, what about non-binary people?!

I am finding it amusingly ironic that my defence of JKR was started as a response to a comment by someone called Neville, and my current discussion is with someone called Tonks!

CaraDuneRedux · 16/09/2020 09:04

"The evil that women do lives after them. The good is oft interred with their bones. For Neville hath said that JK Rowling was transphobic, and Neville is an honourable man. So are they all (furries, adult babies, pimps, punters) honourable men."

PurpleHoodie · 16/09/2020 08:58

Cara Hmmmmmm

CaraDuneRedux · 16/09/2020 08:57

@PurpleHoodie

So.

He has shown zero respect for

  1. Romantic partner.
  2. Daughter.
  3. Local women out and about minding their own.

But

  1. Prostitutes (Trafficked, forced, otherwise).
  2. Transvestite, and sex-role play men.

And this information has been out there in the public sphere. Including his own Social Media profiles?

Uh huh. Uh huh.

Yup, that's about it.

But according to a poster upthread, he's simply campaigning for LGBT+ rights, "For Neville is an honourable man..."

PurpleHoodie · 16/09/2020 08:49

So.

He has shown zero respect for

  1. Romantic partner.
  2. Daughter.
  3. Local women out and about minding their own.

But

  1. Prostitutes (Trafficked, forced, otherwise).
  2. Transvestite, and sex-role play men.

And this information has been out there in the public sphere. Including his own Social Media profiles?

Uh huh. Uh huh.

Floisme · 16/09/2020 07:07

My phone is gobsmacked too. It kept changing 'sued' to 'dude'.

Floisme · 16/09/2020 07:06

Hang on a sec can we just rewind:
Neville Southall sued his own daughter?

SophocIestheFox · 16/09/2020 06:46

I think you can take that as a win, horizon!

PotholeParadise · 16/09/2020 01:46

@aliasundercover

Aren’t goalkeepers supposed to be the clever, logical ones who oversee/control the game from the back?

Hahaha, you don't know many footballers, so you?

Goal keepers usually become goalkeepers for one of the following reasons:

  • They're tall
  • They're rubbish at football
  • They're unpopular, and can only get a game by going in goal.

Very few GKs become managers, even fewer are successful. The only example I can think of is Dino Zoff.
You don't see many GKs becoming pundits either.

Grin

In my case as a kid, it was a combination of all 3.

Horizons83 · 16/09/2020 00:08

I had a reply back:

‘I’ve googled Karen and your name came up.’

No response to my point though. Interesting that.

And if it’s made one more person look deeper into what JKR has said, or allowed one woman in my town to realise she’s not alone, it’s worth it.

CandyLeBonBon · 15/09/2020 23:51

Fucking hell. I've read it all now. What a tosser. Sorry I don't have anything more eloquent but I'm so tired of this shit.

wellbehavedwomen · 15/09/2020 23:47

@Horizons83

RIght that’s it. I’ve just risen above the parapet on Facebook. Someone posted the Neville Southall story on our town Facebook page calling him a hero and I could not shut up any longer.

I left a calm and polite comment that JKR was arguing against self-ID and why this wasn’t a good idea, pointing them towards Karen White.

It’s not much but it’s a start. And now I wait for my shunning.

Well done. And thank you. It's horrific that it takes courage in 2020 to stand for women, but the reality is that it does.
Horizons83 · 15/09/2020 23:07

RIght that’s it. I’ve just risen above the parapet on Facebook. Someone posted the Neville Southall story on our town Facebook page calling him a hero and I could not shut up any longer.

I left a calm and polite comment that JKR was arguing against self-ID and why this wasn’t a good idea, pointing them towards Karen White.

It’s not much but it’s a start. And now I wait for my shunning.

ArabellaScott · 15/09/2020 22:11

Shells, eh?

Does anyone want to see snails mating? It really is fascinating.*

*if not really relevant.

ThousandsAreSailing · 15/09/2020 22:02

Neville is residing in a much larger body these days.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 15/09/2020 21:52

Jolly family man Neville Southall has successfully sued his daughter for £55,000 worth of trophies. Southall gave the memorabilia to her when she was 10, but now wants them back. "I'm devastated," his daughter Sam said. "I idolised my dad. I don't know how I'll pay the costs [which amount to £5,000].""

Oh yes, I'd forgotten for that. And didn't he leave his partner for someone else in a really shitty way too?

FloralBunting · 15/09/2020 21:23

I think the quality of Neville Southall's contributions to life were summed up the first time he was in a kickabout and the other blokes said
"Er, what about Nev?"
"He can go in goal"

💩

aliasundercover · 15/09/2020 21:16

Aren’t goalkeepers supposed to be the clever, logical ones who oversee/control the game from the back?

Hahaha, you don't know many footballers, so you?

Goal keepers usually become goalkeepers for one of the following reasons:

  • They're tall
  • They're rubbish at football
  • They're unpopular, and can only get a game by going in goal.

Very few GKs become managers, even fewer are successful. The only example I can think of is Dino Zoff.
You don't see many GKs becoming pundits either.

Nestme · 15/09/2020 20:39

This was a very incoherent article but I took away from it that the two types of women that this bloke had any time for were 'sex workers' and trans women.
He view of women is profoundly male centered.

His view of women is profoundly AGP pornified sex addict ....

Beetlewing · 15/09/2020 19:48

Thick as mince. I don't know why he's held up as an authority on anything

Reddog1 · 15/09/2020 19:23

Aren’t goalkeepers supposed to be the clever, logical ones who oversee/control the game from the back?

Seriously - what nonsense this is. Unintelligent.