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The awful trend on Twitter

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imhereforthesanity · 14/09/2020 19:29

Hi, I don't post often, but I've seen the awful twitter trend today in regard to J K Rowling, I just feel so scared and defeated about women's rights, why are more people not up in arms and defending us? I also fear for her and women's safety, as some of these TRA's seem really unhinged.

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SunsetBeetch · 15/09/2020 20:41

Pesky, pesky facts:

twitter.com/MeanwhileIPaint/status/1305723348467539968?s=20

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Peony Genderfree Campbell
@MeanwhileIPaint
List Of 66 Crossdressing Serial Killers and Murderers:
Henry Lee Lucas
Ottis Toole
Doil Lane
Charles Albright
Hadden Clark
Jeffrey Gorton
Russell Williams
Gary Heidnik
Dennis Rader
Steve Wright
Richard Sharpe
Jerome Brudos
Dennis Nilson
Marvin Gay Sr
Gerard Schaefer
/1

John Lotter
Frank Spisak
Robert Durst
Andrew Cunanan
Ed Gein
Daniel Camargo Barbosa
Brandon Payton
Richard Speck
Roderick Deakin-White
Hector Guttierez
Eric Kentrell Lamar Daniel
Cohen Heath & Emma Kenner (same crime)
Kylie So
Rafael Tadeu de Oliviera
Kevin Tompkins
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List Of 66 Crossdressing Serial Killers and Murderers:
Henry Lee Lucas
Ottis Toole
Doil Lane
Charles Albright
Hadden Clark
Jeffrey Gorton
Russell Williams
Gary Heidnik
Dennis Rader
Steve Wright
Richard Sharpe
Jerome Brudos
Dennis Nilson
Marvin Gay Sr
Gerard Schaefer
/1
Peony Genderfree Campbell
@MeanwhileIPaint
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15h
John Lotter
Frank Spisak
Robert Durst
Andrew Cunanan
Ed Gein
Daniel Camargo Barbosa
Brandon Payton
Richard Speck
Roderick Deakin-White
Hector Guttierez
Eric Kentrell Lamar Daniel
Cohen Heath & Emma Kenner (same crime)
Kylie So
Rafael Tadeu de Oliviera
Kevin Tompkins
/2
Peony Genderfree Campbell
@MeanwhileIPaint
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15h
Wolfgang Schmidt
Marisa Tofield (m)
Miguel Crespo
Scott Lynn Gibson
Marilyn Bernasconi (m)
Dean Brooks
Randy Stair
John Boulachanis
Joseph Cambron
Jessica Winkler (m)
Olivia Sindel (m)
Kayleigh Louise Woods (m)
David Becker
Eric Padilla
Dana Rivers
Logan Kyle
/3
Peony Genderfree Campbell
@MeanwhileIPaint
Luis Morales
Shawn Vicent Boniello
Michael Williams
Wayne Maney
Colin Harnack
Tara Desousa (m)
Kristoffer Johannsen
Gerald Matovu
Dawna Brown (m)
Tyrone Benito
Alan Hawe
Patricia Elane Trimble (m)
Edmond Tennent
Sora Kuykendall (m)
Jason Michael Hann
Khaled Farhan
/4

Andrew Balcer
Harry Von Lee Titlow
Michael Adams
Alhan Khan
Kevin Patterson
.... and many more

This list is from public sources and makes no distinction between serial killers and murderers, or trans and not-trans cross-dressing. Feel free to look them up.
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twitter.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1143047256339181568?s=20

Cross-dressing is one of the most common paraphilias among convicted sexual predators.

"Accused Claremont serial killer Bradley Robert Edwards had a fetish for women's underwear dating back to when he was 13 years old."

"A cross dressing army veteran tried to rape an elderly cancer patient after delivering medication to her."

"A 16 year-old schoolgirl was assaulted by a man dressed in women’s clothes as she walked to a school bus stop."

"A taxi driver faces a prison term after he was convicted of raping a drunken woman in the back of his car. Qasim Anwar, 30, carried out the attack dressed in make-up, a wig, women's clothing and high heels."

"Waite had a fetish for cross-dressing and the woman had helped him dress in women's clothing at least twice before the rape."

"A man wearing a black bikini, purple skirt and high heels allegedly indecently assaulted a teenage boy on a Sydney train, police say."

"Robert Clothier, 37, who also goes by the name Lady James, turned up for a liaison with ‘Mark’ and his eight and 11-year-olds, but it was a police sting."

Schmidt murdered five women and a three month old baby.

The nickname the "Pink Giant" came from both the killer's size and alleged penchant for pink lingerie.

Between 1968 and 1969, Brudos brutally killed 4 women. Brudos would dress up in high heels and masturbate after committing a murder.

"The Silence of the Lambs" killer Buffalo Bill was based on Brudos.

Williams would take photos of himself modelling the stolen underwear, and meticulously file and store the garments. After a few years, he graduated to sexual assault and eventually murder.

Kibbe was arrested as a teenager for petty theft and prowling after he was observed stealing women’s bathing suits and stockings. The book claims Kibbe enjoyed tying himself up with women’s underwear, and cutting up the garments."

"A man, who has convictions for dressing up as an old lady to touch women, is back behind bars.

Paul Reed, who has a criminal record for sex offences, had been banned from using his disguise to prey on unsuspecting women."

"Mason also told police had "gone up on the roof dressed as Brianna, what the defendant described as 'my other way of living'."

"Thomas Lee Benson, 39, dressed as a woman to enter the women's locker room at North Clackamas Aquatic Park. Benson was convicted of sexually abusing children and has a history of dressing as a woman."

Kit19 · 15/09/2020 20:37

Yep that’s it ova- posted the article here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4024473-Nick-Cohen-on-JKR-in-the-Spectator

TheFormerPorpentinaScamander · 15/09/2020 20:36

Nice to see Robbie Coltrane supporting JK. Maybe i need to finalise my divorce from Newt and marry Hagrid. Wink

I like a big hairy man, but that might be taking it too far!

OvaHere · 15/09/2020 20:34

@AnotherLass

One person's account on Twitter. Nick Cohen has said the same thing in an article in the Spectator. The entire thing was a lie.

"I just read the book. There is no transvestite murderer. There's a sentence in which one near-victim in the 1970s couldn't give a good description her attacker as he wore a woman's wig and coat. That's it. No mention of transgender throughout the book."

Is that it? Lol Grin
SunsetBeetch · 15/09/2020 20:24

Fab FB post on cross dressing serial killers:

m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10164028784665408&id=759410407

AnotherLass · 15/09/2020 20:08

One person's account on Twitter. Nick Cohen has said the same thing in an article in the Spectator. The entire thing was a lie.

"I just read the book. There is no transvestite murderer. There's a sentence in which one near-victim in the 1970s couldn't give a good description her attacker as he wore a woman's wig and coat. That's it. No mention of transgender throughout the book."

JD2018May · 15/09/2020 20:00

BUT the book is apparently not about anything like that. Nick Cohen has weighed in and said "I've read the latest Strike novel, and the claim it's anti-trans is total shite. I can't tell you why it is total shite without giving away the ending. So until you read it yourself, which you should, you will just have to trust me: this is total shite".
Oh, and the new book is in the Amazon top 10 best sellers.

Thedisco2000 · 15/09/2020 19:57

Eh he he.

The awful trend on Twitter
Sootybear · 15/09/2020 19:54

Also off the top of my head - don't read crime novels, didn't Silence of the Lambs and Psycho, films, have men dressed as women being the murderers?It's a common trope.

Sootybear · 15/09/2020 19:48

@Bellinisurge I know what you mean, I'm public sector too and one of my clients wanted to follow me on twitter. Didn't really know how to say no, but yes maybe they've looked at who I follow. Luckily in real life I have friends who are not into all this. I don't know all the correct words or acronyms etc, but as a Children's Librarian I have lots of admiration for JK. I'm so glad she's standing up for us all.

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 15/09/2020 19:36

@RoyalCorgi

Can't find it now, but someone on Twitter produced a list of 66 male killers who dressed as women.

Reality is transphobic.

This one? twitter.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1143047256339181568?s=20

Malahaha · 15/09/2020 19:05

@bellinisurge

I am waiting for the moment that the people who follow me on Twitter see who else I follow. I'm too cowardly to "like" the tweets from JKR, Debbie Hayton, Transgender Trend etc
I do like them all. It's just about the only thing I do on Twitter. I'm assuming that I'm too insignificant for anyone to check up on, and I don't retweet anything. But likes -- yep. It could get me into trouble one day...

Just about all my Twitter "friends" are GC people or people who with #ilovejkr etc. on their profile.

AbsintheFriends · 15/09/2020 19:00

Same for me bellini. I have to be on twitter for my job, but I am refusing to participate at the moment. It genuinely has a negative impact on my mental health, my mood, my resilience, my relationships. I looked in today (following a link on here) and saw one of my best friends (amongst work colleagues) retweeting and liking some JKR hate and felt so fucking low. I like and respect her. When did she stop thinking and seeing??

I've also seen a lot of 'if any of my followers still follow JKR please unfollow me now before I block you'. God, would I LOVE to have that argument. Can't, of course.

wellbehavedwomen · 15/09/2020 18:57

Trans women already use women's facilities, they have to in order to get GRA.

That's not at all true, @Smileifyoucan - it's a myth. How on earth could it be true - how could such a claim ever be evidenced, anyway? And how can it be true, when the Equality Act quite specifically says that women are allowed to have sex segregated spaces, which even a GRA can't force access to (despite the EHRC and the GEO misrepresenting the law - legal advice which they have withdrawn, since, as it was wrong).

And while absolutely, trans people are no more likely to offend than anyone else of their biological sex, they're no less likely to, either. Transwomen sexually offend at standard male rates, and while the vast majority of men don't offend, the vast majority of such offenders are male. Which is why we have sex segregated spaces to begin with.

If sex, not gender identity, detemines risk, why are the feelings of people born with penises seen as more important than the feelings and safety of people born with vaginas? I mean, isn't that a classic example of absolutely blatant sexism? And if not - why not? Why are the feelings of males so desperately sensitive that a small number must be catered to, however much that guarantees harm to a large number of women? Can you explain that, please?

bellinisurge · 15/09/2020 18:39

I am waiting for the moment that the people who follow me on Twitter see who else I follow. I'm too cowardly to "like" the tweets from JKR, Debbie Hayton, Transgender Trend etc

yourhairiswinterfire · 15/09/2020 18:34

The idea that they are going through their followers and blocking anyone who follows them whose views they disagree with is scary though.

It's cult-like behaviour. I see it on Twitter a lot-there's a "terf blocker", and they block all the followers of one person they disagree with.

They really cannot cope with differing opinions, they interpret any disagreement to be hate fuelled. It's crazy. So they block everyone who doesn't chant the same things they do to protect themselves from sanity "hate".

It's completely unhealthy behaviour. I genuinely wonder how they cope out in the real world?

bellinisurge · 15/09/2020 18:32

I think MN is the only place I can speak my mind on this. I'm not called bellinisurge on Twitter but I'm still anonymous. Mostly because my job requires me to deal with the public and I don't want them to find me. But also because I am scared of being found out as "gender critical " - I work in the public sector.
I had what started as a light hearted chat in the pub with colleagues I assumed had a questioning and critical mind about this kind of cult think. "so you're a terf" one said, only half joking. I laughed and left.

Peaseblossom22 · 15/09/2020 18:26

Bellini I am the same, it’s like it’s a bandwagon that they all jump on. I do believe that a number of them have no clue what they are talking about so I avoid any discussion if these subjects and concentrate on the narrow topic that we have in common. The idea that they are going through their followers and blocking anyone who follows them whose views they disagree with is scary though .

PurpleHoodie · 15/09/2020 18:21

belllini

You are VERY well regarded by lurking MNers on such a' such issue.

Real life has a silly habit of interfering with false'identity politics.

Redshoeblueshoe · 15/09/2020 18:19

DeRigueur Shock

DeRigueurMortis · 15/09/2020 18:05

Oh I've reached a good bit....

No spoilers and I've cropped it but it's just so damn pertinent....

I hope JKR won't mind me posting this little snippet....

The awful trend on Twitter
The awful trend on Twitter
bellinisurge · 15/09/2020 18:04

On Twitter, I follow and am followed by a bunch of people with whom I share a common interest. They are all much younger than me and are all full of this shit. I'm ignoring them on that topic because I'm a fucking coward. On social media with an anonymous name as well as in real life.

SerenityNowwwww · 15/09/2020 17:52

I think they overreached themselves. Better give their twitter account back to mammy.

bellinisurge · 15/09/2020 17:51

Jedward got a lot of positive press for slagging off some Covididiots in Ireland. And then the stupid book burning tweet ...

notyourhandmaid · 15/09/2020 17:50

Jedward have come back into fashion recently for their sassy tweets and pro-mask stance. Charming for a bit but it seems to have gone to their heads.

I can't understand how people aren't making the connection here. Even aside from the deranged hate, still seeing so much 'so disappointed in JKR' and 'support these trans/non-binary authors' and 'trans rights are human rights' stuff from people. Not a mention of women's rights, or how death threats are disgusting, or the concept of actually reading a book.

It's really depressing. I had hoped this level of horror would help more people see.

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