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The awful trend on Twitter

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imhereforthesanity · 14/09/2020 19:29

Hi, I don't post often, but I've seen the awful twitter trend today in regard to J K Rowling, I just feel so scared and defeated about women's rights, why are more people not up in arms and defending us? I also fear for her and women's safety, as some of these TRA's seem really unhinged.

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SunsetBeetch · 16/09/2020 10:58

Good man, David Baddiel.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 16/09/2020 10:49

David Baddiel on Twitter:

Keen to know how a hashtag celebrating the idea of the death of a living woman trended for over a day on this platform devoted apparently to the removal of hate speech.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 16/09/2020 10:43

What I remember being a child was that average people bought the Satanic Verses just to see what the fuss was about. Streisand effect. My working class Tory parents bought it, but didn't get very far in, however years later I read their copy myself, when I was staying at their house and bored with nothing to read. It sat in the bookcase for years Grin

RoyalCorgi · 16/09/2020 09:56

Damn! "he was an articulated, opinion" should be "he was an articulate, opinionated.."

RoyalCorgi · 16/09/2020 09:55

@CaraDuneRedux

Very sharp comment on Janice Turner's twitter feed (not Janice herself, one of the commenters):

"My god. We are this close from the aggressive regressive reactionary fashionable left declaring a Fatwa on a genuinely liberal woman for writing a book they haven’t seen."

This is absolutely bang-on. It reminds me very much of when The Satanic Verses was published, and white middle-class intellectuals were falling over themselves to condemn Rushdie and support the Muslims attacking him - even those who were burning copies of the book. As now, very few people had actually read the book. As now, people were keen to appear "woke", though that wasn't the word used, of course - but they wanted to appear on the side of the oppressed minority rather than the nasty Rushdie. I remember thinking at the time - and still think now - that a lot of the white liberal hostility towards Rushdie was because he was an articulated, opinion Indian who they considered to be getting above himself. It allowed them to exercise their racism while pretending to be progressive and tolerant.

Plus ca change, eh.

JaneAustenWouldHateThis · 16/09/2020 09:43

No better than the taliban this lot.

CaraDuneRedux · 16/09/2020 09:18

Very sharp comment on Janice Turner's twitter feed (not Janice herself, one of the commenters):

"My god. We are this close from the aggressive regressive reactionary fashionable left declaring a Fatwa on a genuinely liberal woman for writing a book they haven’t seen."

Malahaha · 16/09/2020 09:16

@Jellyeggs

Apologies if this has been answered but seeing this book is now a bestseller I’m wondering if her previous Galbraith books went to no.1 as quickly? Or is this down to the twitter hate? It’s certainly the first book of hers I’ve ordered so quickly since HP.
It's advertising no publicity department could have paid for. I did read the first of her Galbraith books many years ago, just to check it out (I'd never read Harry Potter; not my thing) and now I'm determined to go back to the beginning and read them all. The TRAs have been her biggest gift!
LizzieSiddal · 16/09/2020 09:08

More worrying that the Guardian books section appears to believe this!

They don’t believe it at all. They are choosing to not correct this bit of misinformation.

merrymouse · 16/09/2020 09:05

A lot of people on twitter seem to think she wrote & published Troubled Blood in 3 months

More worrying that the Guardian books section appears to believe this!

merrymouse · 16/09/2020 09:03

after months of pain among trans people and their allies.

Never forget the allies!

Kit19 · 16/09/2020 09:02

Im also Hmm at the number of people who don’t understand how long it takes to write, edit, re edit, proof, design & launch a book. A lot of people on twitter seem to think she wrote & published Troubled Blood in 3 months

WellThankyouAJPTaylor · 16/09/2020 09:00

I'm another who would now buy anything she wrote, and who also usually waits for the paperback or for Kindle copy to come down in price. But I pre-ordered this back in July and am now spending my day off cosied up with it.

caughtalightsneeze · 16/09/2020 08:53

In summary "The judgement is that comments on Troubled Blood were not based in fact; but on balance Rowling does deserve the scold's bridle for briefly referring to a banned subject.

Comrades are reminded that The Telegraph is a banned publication and separate action will be taken on this matter".

I actually read your first paragraph and thought that it was a direct copy and paste from the Guardian. So low has the Guardian sunk that I just thought 'sounds like what they'd publish'. It wasn't until the second paragraph that I realised you were paraphrasing. The reference to the scolds bridle didn't even sound implausible from the Guardian.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 16/09/2020 08:50

I'm planning lots of Ickabog

Deffo

bellinisurge · 16/09/2020 08:44

Just went on Amazon to do a book review because they are only allowing verified purchases to do it.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 16/09/2020 08:44

Thanks littl

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 16/09/2020 08:43

@JamieLeeCurtains

THE HISTORY OF SPONGE

I'M HAVING IT

😀
BlackWaveComing · 16/09/2020 08:42

I am wedded to JKR now. Whatever she publishes, I will buy. Probably in multiple copies.

I'm planning lots of Ickabog. Donating a copy to school, too. Maybe even to each classroom 🙂

AbsintheFriends · 16/09/2020 08:38

It is, at best, an utterly tone-deaf decision to include an evil man who cross-dresses after months of pain among trans people and their allies.

Alison Flood works in the media - she must know like she knows water is wet that this book will have been written and submitted well upwards of a year ago. JFK did not include this character since she wrote her pro-woman essay earlier in the summer.

(And that is without touching on the universe of wrong that is her implication that JKR must censor her opinions and her storytelling so as not to cause pain to 'trans people and their allies'. Who we know would be happiest if no woman ever did anything that didn't directly service their agenda.)

OvaHere · 16/09/2020 08:38

@Jellyeggs

Apologies if this has been answered but seeing this book is now a bestseller I’m wondering if her previous Galbraith books went to no.1 as quickly? Or is this down to the twitter hate? It’s certainly the first book of hers I’ve ordered so quickly since HP.
I ordered it. If it wasn't for this fuss I would have waited for the paperback because I've still got two of the previous Strike books to finish yet. Seeing as it was only £10 I thought why not. Hardbacks are often £20-25 on first release so that will have made a difference.
Floisme · 16/09/2020 08:34

I am choosing to find the Guardian article funny - the way they contort themselves trying to attack both the Telegraph and JK and end up tripping over their own feet.
I think laughing will cause them more discomfort than anger.

CaraDuneRedux · 16/09/2020 08:27

acknowledges that the character isn't trans and there is just a a couple of passing references to him wearing his landlady's coat and a wig

How long before the TRAs go full-on-Leviticus on us, and ask for men wearing women's clothes to be made illegal so that this sort of confusion can't occur Wink. (I have seen an article by a TRA arguing that women who don't perform femininity are letting the side down by making it harder for transwomen to clearly signal their femininity - it was in the Independent a few years back. IIRC the take home message was "Women: dress like proper women so we have something to copy that clearly signals our inner womanliness. But women: do make sure you dress in a dowdy, woman at M&S sort of way, so we have a dull background against which we can shine.")

Jellyeggs · 16/09/2020 08:24

Apologies if this has been answered but seeing this book is now a bestseller I’m wondering if her previous Galbraith books went to no.1 as quickly? Or is this down to the twitter hate? It’s certainly the first book of hers I’ve ordered so quickly since HP.

merrymouse · 16/09/2020 08:16

The Guardian article is really bad.

In summary "The judgement is that comments on Troubled Blood were not based in fact; but on balance Rowling does deserve the scold's bridle for briefly referring to a banned subject.

Comrades are reminded that The Telegraph is a banned publication and separate action will be taken on this matter".

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