Thank you stonewall - now I know who to avoid

From what these employers have to do according to Stonewall

1. Find out the facts

The first step is to make sure you are educating yourself – so be sure to learn about trans identities and experiences.

Ok then, let's visit the link they provide -

How do you know you’re trans?

Many people know they’re trans from a young age. Some trans people might not have the language or understanding of what it means to be trans until later in life. But it is always something innate and absolutely core to your sense of self. It’s not something that’s a fad, a 'lifestyle choice' or something that comes and goes.

It is an essential part of who you are that can’t be changed. If you aren’t recognised as being the gender you know you are, it’s extremely damaging

That's not really answering the question at all is it? It's like a politicians answer.

But what about public toilets?

Trans people can and have been using the toilets that match their gender for years without issue. This is another media-generated ‘debate’ (yeah, because God forbid women fucking debate anything, eh Stonewall?) , and it’s actually having a negative effect on many cis people too; people whose appearance doesn’t fit the stereotypes of male or female are increasingly being challenged for simply going into a public loo.*

(notice that it's all nice and simple according to them and they address none of the complexities or dangers that go along with all of it).

Having facilities that everyone can use – toilets and changing rooms with private space – is really sensible and many businesses and institutions have been taking that approach without incident for a long time now. (and how much did female employees actually get to have a say in all of this? A real say that didn't involve them being shamed, or being at risk of being 'educated' or being sacked if they didn't agree?)

Oh I agree, @EarthSight.

I'm just trying to console myself that the list is shorter than it could be and isn't actually a sign of success for Stonewall.

Wales looks pretty woke - now I find that very surprising. Are Labour controlled areas being advised to go woke (how's Keir going to take that). UCL I would expect to be there and to be TWAW for years into the future. Can't see anything much in University terms. Keele is there, no idea why, perhaps they're looking for extra advertising

Lets give a big slow clap to these organisations who have shown they are willing to trample all over women's rights.

DH's former employer is on there. A more misogynistic organisation you'd be hard pushed to find.

And actually 136 businesses isn't very many out of the UK.

I'm more interested on who isn't on there. My company was one of the many logos in the full page ad last year and I know there ended up being quite a lot of backlash against signing ourselves up to something political.

IIRC the company were very annoyed because they thought they were signing up to show support for one thing and it turned out to be another. They are conspicuously missing this time (thank God) so I wonder if they are being a lot more cautious with Stonewall now.

My heath authority is on there!

It’s a handy print out for when people spout that GC women are given £££££££ by US religious nuts.

Good point about firms wanting to appear attractive to new graduate recruits.

I’m regularly disappointed about the FT’s stance on this topic....

The letter and signatories

intermediauk.org/post/trans-rights-open-letter-update

I left law after becoming a mother and have loads of female friends (mothers and not) who are still in. I don't think firms are female friendly at all.

Do all these people pay to have their logo displayed on this page? How does it work?

Also quite disappointed that the FT is on there!

Its coverage is so partisan that the FT makes The Guardian look like Tucker Carlson. As many PP have said, the linguistic framing disguises the myriad ways in which the extreme demands of trans activists is an existential threat to women's rights. The slogan 'trans rights are human rights' is a deliberate attempt to obscure that.

I agree with a previous poster that it's more interesting to see who is missing from that list and it's heartening to see no police forces.

Disappointed to see so many law firms on there (I have friends who are partners and senior associates in these firms and they have always acknowledged how female friendly their firms are or are becoming).

It all depends on the question the firms have been asked; of course it is correct that trans rights are human rights and nobody should face discrimination from employers (and the rights that trans people have under current law should be respected). However, have these firms actually been asked about the GRA, M2F in sport, single sex spaces, and everything else on Stonewall’s agenda?

Also quite disappointed that the FT is on there!

We should FOI the local authorities on there to ask the decision making process and how it was determined it should be supported.

I'm disappointed to see so many universities on there too.

To be honest I just see the last gasp of a pressure group in search of a campaign...
Of course trans people should not suffer from discrimination - but I just seems that they are doubling down now.

My local authority has signed this. Just a query does anyone know what questions are asked in the Stone wall workplace equality index?
www.stonewall.org.uk/workplace-equality-index-faqs#Top%20100%20list%20set
Shouldn't this audit by a lobby group of a local authority be open and transparent? Eg one of the sections Section 4 – Allies and role models: how you empower allies and role models to create change and their subsequent actions. Shouldn't the response to this be in the public domain?