Who has abortions? According to Marie Stopes Australia, it’s men... and “people”

Yes I agree, Diana.

Re person and woman.

It depends on whether the relevant factor is my biology and/or my political status as a member of a class of people who have historically been on the receiving end of systematic, legalised and institutionalised prejudice.

So abortion: women's rights issue, because biology.

Free speech: broadly speaking, human rights issue rather than specifically women's rights (though may become a women's rights issue when it becomes apparent that there are sexist double standards operating, as, for instance, when men are allowed to defend extreme porn on spurious "free speech" grounds while women are denied the right to talk about male sexual fetishes on spurious "be kind" grounds).

Any woman in need of a service like Marie Stopes is in a vulnerable and precarious position as it is

But do they cater for women?

No where in their advert does it say they cater for women.

They cater for people and men.
People can be Male or female but as they are mentioning things that only women can do and instead using the term people then I would think that service was not for me.

I’m a woman, I’m happy to be referred to as a person or a people.

No, I'm not. No man has ever got pregnant.

The words men and people should not be used, in any way shape or form, when identifying who needs an abortion.

Yes.

The longer I look into this ideology, the less time I have for any of it.

Yes I think many of us have got to this point! It's all such Emperor's New Clothes nonsense, once you see it, you can't ever unsee it.

I wonder. How many male identifying women have been pregnant in Australia (or anywhere)? It can't exactly be common!
Anyway, yes, these people have lost their fucking minds. Only women and girls will ever need an abortion. The end.

For me, it's such a deeply female issue. Women deal wth massive amounts of stress and judgement when it comes to abortion. It's only us that deals with the bodily reality of it, with pregnancy, it's only us that faces childbirth and post partum issues, PND, breastfeeding and all its attendent issues. Largely it's women that will deal with judgement, guilt, regret, attacks, etc.

Any woman in need of a service like Marie Stopes is in a vulnerable and precarious position as it is. That MS have put sneering, nasty, cruel and vindictive smears on their page - allowing 'terf' and 'Karen' insults to stand - seems to be kicking women when they're down.

And it feels like all the people who like to try and control women through controlling access to abortion and healthcare will be delighted by this - abortion providers who alienate, sneer at, ignore and ridicule women is just misogynistic heaven. It's all about control, of course - control of women's bodies includes compelled speech and calling them out for wrongthink, for not believing the nonsensical anti-biology idea that men need access to abortion.

I'm not sure why this has got to me quite so much when basically it's just a logical extension of all the menstruater and birthing people stories. But anyway here I am, raging at these craven fools who are scared to name the people who gave birth to them in case it upsets some men. I really don't know what else to say.

I reported them for fake news as men cannot have uteruses.

They also reposted an image showing how vulvas come in different shapes and sizes. Complete with diagrams. One of the 'vulva's is a penis

It gets worse.

They think men have a uterus
And
The think a penis is a vulva

I might not have passed GCSE biology but even I know these things aren’t true.

If the people at Marie Stopes aren’t familiar with basic biology I would be worried what they would do to someone in their care

I wonder if an actual man went in and demanded an abortion what their response would be.

They're taking the absolutely most cowardly route and deleting any criticism while leaving up sexist, misogynist comments as proxies for their own words. I try not to feel contemptuous of people, but ...

Marie Stopes Australia have apparently deleted any posts that disagree with their erasure of women or asked them to include women. No matter how polite or factual or reasonable.

However, they've left up all the 'shut up TERF Karen' posts.

Is there some sort of secret competition to out batshit each other for shits and giggles? Because just when you think it can’t get any more ludicrous, something like this comes up. I’d like to think there’s a bet or a dare because the alternative is that people are losing their minds.

Link:

www.facebook.com/810047862456121/posts/3079147228879495/

I thought I'd have a look at Marie Stopes UK's facebook. Refreshingly still uses 'women' and 'girls' throughout, one time used 'women and pregnant people' on a post about inclusivity, which seems fair enough.

Also this on there:

'In the UK, one in three women will have one or more #abortion in their lifetime. Yet, this aspect of women’s healthcare is not often talked about in every day conversation🗣'

Linky-poo?

Aw, no, Binky, no. That's just so wrong.

They also reposted an image showing how vulvas come in different shapes and sizes. Complete with diagrams. One of the 'vulva's is a penis.

on a personal note. I had a abortion in the 70's and I remember distinctly, there being no men, not at all. Even the staff were all female. Any men were in the background. those were the days when misogyny was rife, but there was an understanding of women stuff

I would hazard a guess that only a % of MtF trans would be triggered and I suspect .....well, you finish the sentence. The % who wouldn't be triggered perhaps have a better understanding of women.

I feel a delete coming on...........