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Strike - The JKR TV series

131 replies

OnceUponACat · 13/09/2020 11:05

Apologies if it has been discussed before, I could not find it anywhere.

I am enjoying watching it for but I am annoyed and irked too. For someone like Rawling so many years after HP and still so many cliches: the ugly male detective with the clever cute female sidekick who is happy to work for pittance; Robin’s overgroomed doll look; Cormoran being seen as an appealing partner even though drinks himself to a stupor and is clearly not commitment friendly, etc etc.

Is it me or we could do better than that?

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 14/09/2020 21:36

Thanks Tinsel, I was going to pre-order now but haven't read the others yet. I think I will do that.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 14/09/2020 21:36

Ive heard of some of that fan fIction deliciously

Very rude some of it 😱

DeliciouslyFemale · 14/09/2020 21:30

@CrazyPigeonLadyMarried2Trans

Ah Strike the first warning sign of what was to come. Nowadays I only engage with HP through fanfiction site AOE3 where there are plenty of LGBT writers out there at toning for the sins of the mother
So you prefer pale imitations of the original writer? Figures. 🤷🏻‍♀️
TinselAngel · 14/09/2020 21:28

@Milicentbystander72

Quick question - id like yo read Troubled White but I haven't read the first 4 Strike novels. I have watched every episode of the tv series though. I know tv is never the same as books completely, but if I ordered the new book would I get what's going on? (I know each book is a stand alone case, but I mean the exact relationship/chemistry between Robyn and Strike)
I think you'd be ok. The TV series misses some stuff out but the continuing Robin/ Strike story is pretty much the same.
TinselAngel · 14/09/2020 21:26

It was OK in Silence of the Lambs though, wasn't it?

stumbledin · 14/09/2020 21:15

Mirror headline:

JK Rowling slammed as new book features a 'transvestite serial killer of women'

Harry Potter author JK Rowling has caused controversy with her comments on transgender issues and her latest Strike novel has attracted more of a backlash

www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/jk-rowling-slammed-new-book-22681530

This now being followed up by other papers and is all over twitter being used to say it reveals her bigotry!

chipshopElvis · 14/09/2020 19:51

I can't decide if I fancy Strike or Robin more! She's not overgroomed at all and is very capable and altogether wonderful. I love Strike, wish the beeb had strung it out a bit, 4 episodes are not enough.

CrazyPigeonLadyMarried2Trans · 14/09/2020 19:31

Ah Strike the first warning sign of what was to come. Nowadays I only engage with HP through fanfiction site AOE3 where there are plenty of LGBT writers out there at toning for the sins of the mother

Campervan69 · 14/09/2020 19:27

Well the utter wankers have got #RIPJKRowling trending on twitter. Pathetic. Just Pathetic.

Looking forward to reading the book anyway.

heathspeedwell · 14/09/2020 18:50

Victoria I think you'll enjoy reading it. There are quite a few different suspects as you can imagine. One of them is a man who is aroused by wearing female clothing.

The Twitter outrage seems entirely fabricated given that a number of convicted serial killers have been known to be aroused by wearing women's clothing. It's like being outraged about a fictional serial killer with green eyes.

heathspeedwell · 14/09/2020 18:43

I have been thinking about this because I have been enjoying it so much I was considering buying Troubled Blood for a couple of friends. So as I've been reading I was wondering if it stands alone as a book and I really think it would be great for anyone to dive straight in with this one.

Nothing is predicated on previous knowledge. Any new fan can have the pleasure of reading the previous ones in order if they want.

VictoriaLucas102 · 14/09/2020 18:43

@heathspeedwell

Got Troubled Blood this morning, I've been loving every minute of sitting in the garden devouring it.

The critics weren't wrong when they said it's her best one yet. It was an effort to tear myself away to type this!

Finding myself increasingly in awe of JK Rowling.

Is it true it features a man who disguised himself as a woman to kill other women? Saw some outrage on twitter about it but nothing mentioned in the Amazon synopsis. Definitely on my books to buy list 😊
JGACC · 14/09/2020 18:36

I think you would understand what is going on but 100% recommend the books anyway 😂

Milicentbystander72 · 14/09/2020 17:37

Quick question - id like yo read Troubled White but I haven't read the first 4 Strike novels. I have watched every episode of the tv series though. I know tv is never the same as books completely, but if I ordered the new book would I get what's going on?
(I know each book is a stand alone case, but I mean the exact relationship/chemistry between Robyn and Strike)

heathspeedwell · 14/09/2020 17:26

The first chapter will have you laughing out loud!

Thedisco2000 · 14/09/2020 15:45

The best one yet? Can't wait, either!

JGACC · 14/09/2020 14:46

@heathspeedwell

Got Troubled Blood this morning, I've been loving every minute of sitting in the garden devouring it.

The critics weren't wrong when they said it's her best one yet. It was an effort to tear myself away to type this!

Finding myself increasingly in awe of JK Rowling.

So jealous, I can't wait!
heathspeedwell · 14/09/2020 14:43

Got Troubled Blood this morning, I've been loving every minute of sitting in the garden devouring it.

The critics weren't wrong when they said it's her best one yet. It was an effort to tear myself away to type this!

Finding myself increasingly in awe of JK Rowling.

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 14/09/2020 13:12

I've preordered book 5 on audible for tomorrow and am looking forward to getting stuck in. I agree with PP that as so often, the TV series doesn't explore any of the characters in any depth. Villains particularly rarely have any nuance.

The guardian published a list of top female crime writer books a while back, though it's by no means misogyny free. www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/16/50-great-thrillers-by-women-agatha-christie-gillian-flynn-val-mcdermid

Have to say, I enjoyed the Thursday murder club by Richard Osman, it is written with courtesy towards female characters and allows them to have interesting lives.

Thedisco2000 · 14/09/2020 12:51

testing I was surprised by the male gaze and male wish fullfilment stuff in the first book. Strike checking out a female cleaner's behind and the going back to stare at her again, and also getting to sleep with a gorgeous younger photo model.
At the same time, JK very clearly uses on her own experience with an abusive relationship and having ptsd from male violence while writing Robin's story.
I'm looking forward to Troubled blood. According to reviews there will be content that will further upset the TRAs. It will be interesting to see what actually happens in the book.

Wandawomble · 14/09/2020 10:46

Prime Suspect. That’s my favourite of all the crime type things featuring women. Helen Mirren is the best and it was so ahead of its time.

VickySunshine · 14/09/2020 09:25

I prefer Morse. I can relate to being a grumpy old git. And I have a Jaguar.

ChequerBoard · 14/09/2020 09:18

What about Maisie Raine - an old ITV detective series starring Pauline Quirke in the title role as the female lead? I only bring it up because it's being repeated on ITV2 at the moment.

LaurieFairyCake · 14/09/2020 09:11

One of the reasons I like Vera is that's a show where a woman is properly prized for her mind. She's not disabled but she does get physical help from those around who are younger/fitter

In Strike he has to lean physically on her and is comfortable to do so.

In both series we see characters who have some acceptance of ageing/disability and I'm so glad they are both there - there's so bloody little of physical human frailty on TV.

In last nights episode Robins intelligence and work is commented on favourably by Strike - he says it took him years to learn to be as good as her.

I do think we haven't seen a chubby, disabled woman in a worthwhile role - and I can't imagine it being made the other way round

testing987654321 · 14/09/2020 08:54

I have read the first Strike book. I was surprised at how much it is written in a male gaze style. I wondered if JK wrote it deliberately to sound like a male writer so people wouldn't guess it was her. So I am not really surprising the TV version is similar.