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Strike - The JKR TV series

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OnceUponACat · 13/09/2020 11:05

Apologies if it has been discussed before, I could not find it anywhere.

I am enjoying watching it for but I am annoyed and irked too. For someone like Rawling so many years after HP and still so many cliches: the ugly male detective with the clever cute female sidekick who is happy to work for pittance; Robin’s overgroomed doll look; Cormoran being seen as an appealing partner even though drinks himself to a stupor and is clearly not commitment friendly, etc etc.

Is it me or we could do better than that?

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Deliriumoftheendless · 16/09/2020 18:25

No and maybe some of that was down to the fact it was pre-twitter but probably down to Harris being a man.
It certainly hasn’t harmed his career.

TinselAngel · 16/09/2020 15:20

Sorry to derail, but I believe there were protests from LGB groups at the time, including outside cinemas- even though Thomas Harris took inspiration from real life killers including Ed Gein who dressed in his dead mother’s clothing and wanted to make a “woman suit” out of female flesh.

I bet they weren't wishing Thomas Harris dead.

Lexilooo · 16/09/2020 15:00

You really really need to read the books. As they progress you will find many of your assumptions are incorrect.

Robin has her own scars and baggage that was barely hinted at in series 1 on TV. Strike is very much not a commitment phobe, he is a survivor of domestic abuse.

Robin is supposed to be attractive in a girl next door way which is highlighted in her reactions to Lula, Ciara and Charlotte who are supposed to be model beautiful. Later plots also rely upon her being an attractive woman.

Strike is supposed to be sexy but not be handsome, that is supposed to contrast with the more clean cut "good catch" Matthew.

I don't really have a problem with it. JK has issues she wants to explore in these books and she has written characters that allow her to do so.

If you want female leads in crime fiction may I suggest Val McDermid, Kathy Reichs, Karin Slaughter or Patricia Cornwall.

Kathy Reichs even has an alcoholic female lead with a pretty boy on/off boyfriend who she is reluctant to commit to.

Interestingly Val McDermid has written some fab female leads (Lindsey Gordon, Karen Pirie, Kate Brannigan) but the only ones picked up for TV is the Tony Hill and Carol Jordan series. Jordan is a senior detective, hill a consultant, they get fairly equal billing in the books but on TV they are all about Tony Hill.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 16/09/2020 14:47

and stand by the fact that you can make a judgment on whether or not to invest your time in a book based on marketing copy, reviews, jacket blurb, synopsis

I agree this is absolutely fair, its how we all pick books unless we have a favourite author

But it turns out there is no transgender character just a paragraph about a man wearing a wig and Womans coat

Like a disguise!

So its not a fucking trope...and you certainly wouldn’t get that from the cover, blurb or synopsis

You would obviously get it from people lying online about the book itself

(Thats not aimed at you merry just the bit agreeing that its fair)

merrymouse · 16/09/2020 14:40

and stand by the fact that you can make a judgment on whether or not to invest your time in a book based on marketing copy, reviews, jacket blurb, synopsis.

I think that is fair, (the blurb says 'psychotic serial killer', but I think its perfectly reasonable to avoid books about psychotic serial killers).

I also like police procedurals, including those written by Ian Rankin, but don't expect everyone to like Ian Rankin books.
(although everyone should buy his lettuce (for the Rankin fans only!))

I only have a problem with the people claiming that the book should be boycotted because it is transphobic.

Thedisco2000 · 16/09/2020 13:29

Oh wow. I'm not that far into the new book yet but this book really is about male violence against women, from a clearly feminist perspective.
I wonder if she always planned going from male gaze to feminism with this book series.

ErrolTheDragon · 16/09/2020 07:54

I've started a separate thread but I'll put this here too. James Kirkup in the times today.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-activists-hate-rowling-because-shes-a-woman-q0xnj2tx3?shareToken=88c41971d627e3407879a0f46a3c5a48

Deliriumoftheendless · 16/09/2020 07:27

And if you were being sarcastic I’m sorry for not picking that up 😃

Deliriumoftheendless · 16/09/2020 07:26

@TinselAngel

It was OK in Silence of the Lambs though, wasn't it?
Sorry to derail, but I believe there were protests from LGB groups at the time, including outside cinemas- even though Thomas Harris took inspiration from real life killers including Ed Gein who dressed in his dead mother’s clothing and wanted to make a “woman suit” out of female flesh.

I obviously won’t be drawing any parallels here.

But Silence did win Oscars so maybe the LGBT community can cancel all movies by Academy members 🤔

334bu · 16/09/2020 07:15

Well.public seem to like these books.
Troubled blood number 1 best seller book and Kindle version on Amazon

Dreeple · 15/09/2020 13:58

*Nicetableinnit said: “I don't like lazy, overdone tropes - cross-dressing, serial killer is right up there in boring, crime stereotypes even as a sub-plot. I also don't like gory or sexualised violence so avoid writers like Val McDermid. I don't need to read everything she's written to decide I'm not going to like Wire in the Blood.
I find police procedurals a bit dull don't read Ian Rankin...
...I should know, I write them.”

Do you start four consecutive sentences with “I” when you write them?

CodenameVillanelle · 15/09/2020 13:45

Not sure how anyone could see strike as ugly and robin as a dolly bird tbh

Strike - The JKR TV series
Nicetableinnit · 15/09/2020 13:05

'I would find that more believable if you hasn’t made your earlier comments. I couldn’t care less if you’re a writer. It means diddly squat, if you’re happy to misrepresent JKR and this book.'

Whatever. I'm not a writer. I work in publishing, ( yup, that one) and stand by the fact that you can make a judgment on whether or not to invest your time in a book based on marketing copy, reviews, jacket blurb, synopsis. Although, as someone who tries to get people to read our books I would bloody love it if the standard was - read it anyway, even if you hate the subject/topic/the reviews say it sucks.

It's not misrepresenting anyone to say I think the crossing dressing serial killer trope should never have left the 70s/80s/90s where it belongs. It's a big yawn from me.

Thedisco2000 · 15/09/2020 12:54

I wish we at least could escape the male gaze stuff in books written by women but I'm still a Strike series fan.

DeliciouslyFemale · 15/09/2020 12:52

hasn’t = hadn’t

DontBelongHere · 15/09/2020 12:50

I thought Robin was the absolute driving force in the lethal white book and TV adaptation. It's more like Cormoran is her sidekick! She does the brave stuff, the going under cover, digging up the dirt, running to the car, she takes the risks. They work as a team but she's very much more than just a support.

The books and TV are slightly male gaze, but most books are. I'm reading another detective story just now, it's enjoyable enough nonsense, but the male characters are all handsome creepy sleazes held up as heroes, the girls are all beautiful (but emotionally fragile) with amazing arses, and constantly up for shagging ALL the blokes. And it's written by a woman Confused

DeliciouslyFemale · 15/09/2020 12:42

Am I? I've read a full synopsis and have seen advance text.

I would find that more believable if you hasn’t made your earlier comments. I couldn’t care less if you’re a writer. It means diddly squat, if you’re happy to misrepresent JKR and this book.

Nicetableinnit · 15/09/2020 12:33

'Showing your complete ignorance there, pet. You’re just jumping on the bandwagon without actually knowing the storyline'

Am I? I've read a full synopsis and have seen advance text.
I don't like lazy, overdone tropes - cross-dressing, serial killer is right up there in boring, crime stereotypes even as a sub-plot. I also don't like gory or sexualised violence so avoid writers like Val McDermid. I don't need to read everything she's written to decide I'm not going to like Wire in the Blood.
I find police procedurals a bit dull don't read Ian Rankin...
It's perfectly fine to decide NOT to read something from a review, or the jacket blurb or the marketing copy. That's why those are all so important to the publisher - getting them pitched at the audience they're aimed at. People make split decisions on whether or not to read a book on the blurb all the time. I should know, I write them.

RufustheSniggeringReindeer · 15/09/2020 11:42

You’re just jumping on the bandwagon without actually knowing the storyline

Yup

Always better to check things for yourself

DeliciouslyFemale · 15/09/2020 10:39

@merrymouse

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/15/troubled-blood-by-robert-galbraith-review-a-cosy-blast-from-the-past

This is the Guardian review.

No mention of anything referred to by Pink News.

There has definitely been a noticeable shift in their writing. They would never have posted anything that even sniffed of a positive article related to JKR. Looks like they’re recognise that going woke, did actually mean going broke.
DeliciouslyFemale · 15/09/2020 10:36

@Nicetableinnit

Won't be bothering with the new book because of the lazy transvestite serial killer trope.
Showing your complete ignorance there, pet. You’re just jumping on the bandwagon without actually knowing the storyline.
Nicetableinnit · 15/09/2020 10:34

Won't be bothering with the new book because of the lazy transvestite serial killer trope.

iguanadonna · 15/09/2020 08:13

I like that Robin is a very 'together' character (except for the PTSD). She takes very good care of her health and body, dresses well, is self-possessed, can act different roles to make different impressions when useful to her... and YET she doesn't want a conventional job or life. She wants to do something risky and interesting. Being so together is probably part of her reaction to the rape she suffered - she's so determined to be ok. And it's why she finds the panic attacks so undermining, because she's so determined to be in control of herself. She's a much more complex character than young women usually get to be in fiction. That may not come across fully in the tv series if you haven't read the books.

merrymouse · 15/09/2020 06:54

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/sep/15/troubled-blood-by-robert-galbraith-review-a-cosy-blast-from-the-past

This is the Guardian review.

No mention of anything referred to by Pink News.

DeliciouslyFemale · 14/09/2020 21:59

@RufustheSniggeringReindeer

Ive heard of some of that fan fIction deliciously

Very rude some of it 😱

Rude is one way to put it. shudder