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I love JKR billboard in Vancouver

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howonearthdidwegethere · 13/09/2020 09:59

Went up on Friday evening, was taken down yesterday evening.

AFAIK it didn't get much coverage when it went up (although there wasn't much time) but now there is lots of coverage.

www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/i-love-j-k-rowling-sign-makes-brief-controversial-appearance-in-vancouver-1.5722244

From the bottom of my heart, I want to thank the trans activists to jump to it and complain about these posters. You are helping us achieve greater reach than we could ever have anticipated. And the people who pay for the posters get their money refunded. It's PERFECT.

Please carry on. PLEASE!

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ArabellaScott · 14/09/2020 09:56

I agree that I am uneasy with using JKR's name to make a point, merrymouse. Hm. I think I agree that it's just not fair to turn a person (and their life) into a campaign unless it's with their full consent and agreement. It's a pity, because I think JK has done such wonderful work awareness raising that it seems a good way of continuing that. But yes, you're right.

merrymouse · 14/09/2020 09:08

if she wants anonymity it's a bit late.

Yes, its a bit late for anonymity, but I think she should be able to choose when she enters a political debate.

She is a human being like any other with 3 children and her family will have ups and downs like any other family. I think she should be able to choose when to disengage.

merrymouse · 14/09/2020 09:03

It's only some people who see it as political, the rest just see a definition of woman, or in this case that they heart jk.

But it is political and its disingenuous to claim that it isn't. The posters are being put up as a publicity stunt by people who want to make a particular point. There is nothing wrong with that, but it's ridiculous to claim that these are just JKR fan posters.

The correct argument is "Why can't we put up these posters that make a clear statement about women's rights?", not "these are just fan posters" or "this is just a dictionary definition".

I would also think it wrong if people were putting up 'I heart JKR' posters to make a point about the EU or Scottish independence or Jeremy Corbyn.

highame · 14/09/2020 08:52

I'd have gone for that too but fear even more confusion.

Lets face it, some of the bat shit craziness confuses even the most intelligent of us.

MindTheMinotaur · 14/09/2020 08:50

Yes, it's very effective because ordinary people are asking themselves, 'what next'? And it's worrying them.

Jeeeez · 14/09/2020 08:50

@littlbrowndog
I really love the image you posted earlier. Where might I be able to find it? Thanks.

Gurufloof · 14/09/2020 08:46

They aren’t just fan posters. They are put up by people who support a particular issue and they are designed to provoke a reaction

Didnt harrop have the same reaction on the news? And posie said the posters are simply the definition of woman. It's only some people who see it as political, the rest just see a definition of woman, or in this case that they heart jk.
It's only political if you see it that way. We on here see the politics behind it, most people will drive on by without giving it a thought until it's in the news. It could equally be a fan poster, theres nothing in the poster to say otherwise.
As for jk herself, I think shes been asked, but if not, she is a famous woman and will be in the news for all kinds of things, if she wants anonymity it's a bit late.

merrymouse · 14/09/2020 08:43

this seems to have a life of it's own now.

But somebody's name shouldn't have a life of its own that they can't control.

I'm also sceptical that it keeps the debate going. I suspect that the only people who notice the posters are people who know why they are there.

Somebody suggested on twitter a poster saying "I heart objective reality". I'd be supportive of that.

highame · 14/09/2020 08:39

I don't like the posters either, but because I always hated the 'I heart' stuff, however, this seems to have a life of it's own now. If other cities, countries etc use this and it keeps the debate going, this is a massive win. I have put my dislike of 'heart' stuff to one side.

She's still talking, so I guess it's not have a bad effect Grin

merrymouse · 14/09/2020 08:37

And more importantly they take away her ability to choose WHEN she wants to speak.

merrymouse · 14/09/2020 08:36

You're assume permission wasn't sought. I think you're wrong on that one

Yes - I don't know. But without knowing that permission was given I feel uneasy every time I see one of these posters, because I feel that they take away JKR's ability to speak for herself.

highame · 14/09/2020 08:29

You're assume permission wasn't sought. I think you're wrong on that one

thatplaceinjordan · 14/09/2020 08:15

I agree with merrimouse

We should stick with
Woman =adult human female

merrymouse · 14/09/2020 08:15

If JKR had issues, she is the sort of woman who who say so.

I think everyone should be able to take a break from any political debate, and deliberately and repeatedly using her name as part of a publicity stunt without permission is wrong.

She shouldn't be put in a position where she has to take action to stop people doing this.

If these people have asked permission, I don't have a problem, but I suspect they haven't.

highame · 14/09/2020 08:04

merrymouse it would be unfair to put the whole of a women's movement on the shoulders of JK Rowling, as that might put us in Life of Brian territory. A good movement will develop and a poster such as this which has a strong political motive and has people who are unaware asking the question 'why is this hateful' etc etc is a stroke of genius. If JKR had issues, she is the sort of woman who who say so.

Gurufloof · 14/09/2020 07:55

I am wondering if the billboard company Pattison would find it useful to know where the public stands on this issue? Here's a online form to contact them, if anyone wanted to do that

Oh that felt good this morning, called them craven, said they better pull every advert I see that i disagree with immediately i report it. Not bad for a Monday morning, quite blistering in fact. I don't actually live in Canada but small details.

sultanasofa · 14/09/2020 07:41

The 158 complaints to Network Rail about taking the Waverley poster down vs zero about displaying it in the first place, clearly showed where public opinion stands on the importance of freedom of speech.

I am wondering if the billboard company Pattison would find it useful to know where the public stands on this issue? Here's a online form to contact them, if anyone wanted to do that:
www.pattisonoutdoor.com/contact-sales/

merrymouse · 14/09/2020 06:44

I might be alone, but I really don’t like the posters.

They aren’t just fan posters. They are put up by people who support a particular issue and they are designed to provoke a reaction.

I don’t have any problem with that, but I think JKR should be able to choose when she wants to comment on an issue. I think this takes that out of her hands.

DryHeave · 14/09/2020 06:08

When people say this is “anti trans feminism” they really are showing their cards - surely it’s not anti trans at all because it includes trans men?

ItsLateHumpty · 14/09/2020 01:48

[quote stumbledin]Here's the tweet about the bucket (not ladder!) being broken twitter.com/christophelston/status/1304918974950305794

I cant find the fb post from the woman who actually arranged for the poster as would want to acknowledge her.

Report in Canadian paper thepostmillennial.com/billboard-company-to-take-down-tribute-to-jk-rowling-after-one-complaint-of-trans-phobia[/quote]
Hey you are Stumble well, it’s her twitter at least - his partner in crime is Amy

mobile.twitter.com/preta_6/status/1304575102852292608

Posie Parker was also given credit by Christopher 💪

littlbrowndog · 13/09/2020 23:16

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I love JKR billboard in Vancouver
MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 13/09/2020 23:06

As publicity stunts go, this couldn't have gone better Grin well done to all involved Wine

stumbledin · 13/09/2020 22:57

Here's the tweet about the bucket (not ladder!) being broken twitter.com/christophelston/status/1304918974950305794

I cant find the fb post from the woman who actually arranged for the poster as would want to acknowledge her.

Report in Canadian paper thepostmillennial.com/billboard-company-to-take-down-tribute-to-jk-rowling-after-one-complaint-of-trans-phobia

ArabellaScott · 13/09/2020 22:48

Oh, no, did they get it taken down what a shame and so sad that now it's in all the papers and ordinary people are a bit baffled and maybe asking some questions and newspaper reports are including segments of JK Rowling's moving, eloquent yet allegedly 'hate filled' testimony, you say?

(Posie is a genius.)

stumbledin · 13/09/2020 22:32

Haven't check back in the past couple of hours but following complaints they started to take the poster down.

And then the truck with the ladder on it go stuck or something.

Will check for later update!

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