Virgin Active changing rooms segregated by gender identity

I don't think my FIL or BIL or nephews or male friends are predators, these are men that I know well and trust completely .but I would not want to be anywhere near them if I or they were naked!

Exactly so. This is a straightforward argument that I use a lot to avoid blinding folk with so much legislation/in depth analysis that it renders them unable to comprehend

A slightly different take on the changing room issue.

Regardless of a person's gender identity, they have a male or female body. TW are male (even if they have had surgery to create a body which satisfies their GD, are on hormones etc etc and of course with self ID none of that is needed)

I do NOT think that all TW are predators or voyeurs.
I do NOT think that all men are predators or voyeurs.

I don't think my FIL or BIL or nephews or male friends are predators, these are men that I know well and trust completely .but I would not want to be anywhere near them if I or they were naked!

I appreciate that there will be women and men who are completely fine with mixed sex changing facilities. Good for them. I am not.

We are back to the third space being the solution. Single sex male, single sex female and mixed sex for anyone who isn't bothered either way, or feels unable to use the facitlity that corresponds with their sex.

*terf not term!

Definitely @RobertSmithsWig
I am happy to be a term and my teenage daughter is too.
It is so crazy that common sense has been given a derogotory name.

Norma, you are just a normal, caring, thinking woman talking common sense, but in the climate we now live in you are a radical feminist and a terf. I'm the same too.

Thank you for the kind words. I feel great for standing up for what is right. I hope the other members who are friends question it too.
One friend is a partner at a huge global firm and was mad so hopefully can have some say in policy there..

to your stepdaughter, Norma. And well done for standing up.

Great work, Norma!

Thank you @SerenityNowwwww
I think because I'm new to feminism boards I'm not sure how I sound.
Too many women have gone through too much shit.
I can't do much, but I can refuse to give my money to a company who throws women under the bus.
I was pleased my husband said he would not 'allow' our girls to be members of a club which allowed men to show them their penises and watch them get undressed.

Norma27 - oh no I didn’t think that you thought it unusual - quite the opposite. It’s pretty much a given, isn’t it?

I know lots of women who have been raped or sexually assaulted. None by another woman. Maybe I’m unusual?

They need alter the layout of the gym

1 male changing
1 female changing
and one for the odds and sods

@SerenityNowwwww definitely. Reading that back makes me realise it looks like I thought my experience was unusual. Unfortunately it isn't obviously.

I can confidently say that a very high % of women who have a close friend/relative who have been raped, or have been assaulted themselves.

🤚 🤚 🤚 (that I can think of off the top of my head)

@MadamBatty definitely.
I am so upset about it but my morals are more important.
Hardly anyone knows this about me, but my stepdaughter was raped by many people a few years ago. That anyone thinks men should be allowed in safe spaces is just madness to me. As I say, I am new to the feminism boards but I feel so strongly about this.

Good woman Norma27, we have to refute this absolute tosh.

I have replied saying ,99% of sexual attacks are committed by men, and anyone with a penis trying to gain access to female safe areas is a danger to women.
I am new to the feminism boards, and wouldnt have even said I was feminist recently. This has made me so mad.

The ‘women are just as likely to sexually attack women’ line gives me the absolute rage

It’s such complete & utter nonsense. Men making up the vast vast vast majority of sexual predators & carrying out the vast vast vast majority attacks on women is such a basic fact that denying it is like denying the Sky is blue!!! And yet here we are....

One of my FB friends has just tried to say ' but what if that man feels they are a woman?. Women are just as much a danger in the shower'.
This lady is a midwife. I really do despair.

It’s not just boys that can’t share a changing room with their opposite sex parent. My dd, from aged 8, had to change away from the “protection” of her dad. Only under 8s can change in either changing room under adult supervision.
From 8, she was sent to the “designated areas in the changing room of her sex”. Her dad sent her in and met her at the steps to the pool believing she was in a female only space

This.

My DDs - a little older but still at school - change away from DH but are forced to change next to adult males with full genitalia at the say so of said adult males??!!

And they think this is good for business??!!!

Richard Branson - wasnt it he who had a daughter who he and his wife allowed to ‘get on with it’ (dress ‘as a boy’ etc) and is now happily a woman with kids? Would he have been happy or send her off to the men’s room alone at the age of, what 9?

He did say he would do that and email me back with their response.
We will see though.
I am so gutted as I loved my club.

nicelegs I would say that my religion prevents me from sharing changing spaces with male bodied people and can they guarantee that you won't have to do that. If they can't you can point out that they are discriminating on the grounds of religion.

He believed the same as us tho but had to follow company line.

Surely what he should do is to forward the complaints and queries up the chain, and ask how he is supposed to resolve the apparent conflict between company policy and the law as given by the EA.

In my VA they have a poster up in the changing room that boys can go in the girls changing room accompanied by their mums up to the age of 8 only.

But a 64 year old man can go as long as he is self identifying as a woman? Okay🤨