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Virgin Active changing rooms segregated by gender identity

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EdgeOfACoin · 10/09/2020 12:50

Okay, I know this has been mentioned on passing on another thread, but I think it needs its own discussion.

Virgin Active have said that their changing rooms are segregated by gender identity and not by biological sex:

mobile.twitter.com/VirginActiveUK/status/1303378847711272961

I'm a VA member. This is something I would be prepared to cancel my membership over. Are they seriously saying that any male may access women-only communal changing rooms, where there are no individual cubicles, where women routinely queue for showers, provided he says he identifies as a woman?

This isn't about toilets. This isn't about who is 'peeing next to you' in the next cubicle. This is about women having to agree to undress in the presence of male-bodied strangers if they wish to use the facilities.

How is this even remotely defensible?

(I like the Twitter replies though.)

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Norma27 · 15/09/2020 12:55

I stated 99% of sexual assaults are perpetrated by those with a penis.
Apparently that is just those reported. Obviously millions of vagina owners are committing these crimes too. Obviously some do but a tiny proportion.
I am actually losing the will to live now!

Norma27 · 15/09/2020 12:48

Here is another gem, 'sometimes we have to trust noone comes to harm, and just get on with the changes in life'
Same person who told us to keep our kids at home if we don't like it!

Norma27 · 15/09/2020 12:45

That would be too bloody simple and sensible Green!

Greencoatblue · 15/09/2020 12:44

I have an ingenious idea. Make the male changing rooms and showers unisex so people like his wife and daughter (and other sympathisers) can go in there, along with all male bodied people. That will leave the female changing areas free for female bodied people who have no wish to see or change next to penises.

Norma27 · 15/09/2020 12:42

I have pointed out it is penises in the changing rooms I have a problem with. All fine as vaginas are just as dangerous!

Norma27 · 15/09/2020 12:41

I'm trying not to get in an argument with these people.
I said in my post I just wanted to state VA policy so that people could make up their mind.
Obviously the woke believers have to try to belittle my beliefs.
I can see why people are scared to say how they feel. I am bloody exhausted and actually feel like deleting my post on there.

Kit19 · 15/09/2020 12:40

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Norma27 · 15/09/2020 12:38

First man has come on to say he doesn't mind these men changing with his wife and daughter!

Kit19 · 15/09/2020 12:36

They’re taking complete nonsense!

maybe trawl the “break it didn’t for me” and “this never happens” thread for some answers back

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MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 15/09/2020 12:35

@Norma27

No men have supported the policy so far. Several women have though. Apparently I am unkind etc. And the latest statement is 'a room full of vaginas is just as dangerous as penises!'

Is it 97 or 98 per cent of sexual assaults that are committed by penis-havers?

EdgeOfACoin · 15/09/2020 12:33

@Norma27

New comments on there by 3 women saying they would welcome these men as it must be so difficult for them. Also that a penis is fine and is not a threat in the female changing rooms. Do I live on a different planet to some of these people?
How can they tell the difference between someone like Alex Drummond and a man who is trying to take advantage of the situation?

Are they comfortable with 12 or 13 year old girls also sharing a changing room with male-bodied people? What if the girls feel uncomfortable? Are they making sure to teach their daughters to be inclusive and not make a fuss?

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Norma27 · 15/09/2020 12:30

No men have supported the policy so far. Several women have though.
Apparently I am unkind etc. And the latest statement is 'a room full of vaginas is just as dangerous as penises!'

TheShoesa · 15/09/2020 12:26

Are there any men saying that they would support these GNC males in the male changing rooms because it must be so difficult for them?

FFS, be kind women, budge up a bit.

Norma27 · 15/09/2020 12:09

New comments on there by 3 women saying they would welcome these men as it must be so difficult for them.
Also that a penis is fine and is not a threat in the female changing rooms.
Do I live on a different planet to some of these people?

EdgeOfACoin · 15/09/2020 11:56

She said also there are private cubicles and separate showers.

This varies from gym to gym. My VA doesn't have any individual cubicles. Why are people so wilfully blind about this?

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SerenityNowwwww · 15/09/2020 11:30

I don’t want to see male bods in the ladies room! Why should I?

Norma27 · 15/09/2020 11:08

There is a local members FB page which I have posted on today. Think the manager will be getting a few phonecalls/emails.
Most replies are mad about it.
One woman told us we should leave our kids at home if we don't want them to see men in female changing rooms. She said also there are private cubicles and separate showers. Yes there are 3 cubicles. How can everyone use those? And the showers are that daft opaque glass, no locks and gaps at top and bottom.

SerenityNowwwww · 15/09/2020 09:40

I’m my local pool there are a fair few (children and women) who swim wearing full head to toe suits.

I knew a teacher who told me that she had a girl in tears because she couldn’t swim as she had forgotten to bring her head covering. These are primary school children.

Anyone give a flying monkeys about these girls?

EdgeOfACoin · 15/09/2020 09:40

@Norma27

I have emailed the CEO [email protected] if anybody else wants to too.
Thanks, Norma. Will contact him.
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JamieLeeCurtains · 15/09/2020 09:35

Thank you @Norma27.

What's interesting to me is that I'm struggling a bit with medical issues and some disability at the moment, and my DS(21) is home and helping out.

Everyone from the Council to my GP to nurses and physio completely accept that it is wildly inappropriate for anyone to expect my son, as a male, to help with anything that would involve any loss of privacy or dignity on my part. It's an absolute given.

So the same should be true for me and my privacy from males in other settings.

SerenityNowwwww · 15/09/2020 09:31

Don’t forget- if your company or insurance companies etc offers gym memberships do let them know...

Norma27 · 15/09/2020 09:17

I have emailed the CEO
[email protected] if anybody else wants to too.

SerenityNowwwww · 15/09/2020 08:50

I think places like this need to be honest so that people can choose to spend their money there or not. How can they afford to do something that will actually stop people taking out memberships?

Also the effect on women’s health - if they won’t go to the gym/pool then they will need to find alternative activities? Jogging or exercising outside in winter when it’s cold and dark - no thanks.

DS got mugged by 3 creatures in the middle of a large park at lunchtime - so there’s no way I’d be hauling my Lardy-arse around there by myself (and there are lots of paths and areas that are quite secluded).

MichelleofzeResistance · 15/09/2020 08:46

We are back to the third space being the solution. Single sex male, single sex female and mixed sex for anyone who isn't bothered either way, or feels unable to use the facility that corresponds with their sex.

Precisely.

And at the point someone says nooooo because othering, they have begun to advocate for the compulsion upon female people to participate against their will to the benefit of someone male, or be punished by exclusion. Regardless of the female person's needs, because the male person should have higher value and access to better support, recognition and standards of service than she does by virtue of their birth sex. There is no way to get away from that this is wholly based on birth sex. And there is no way to make that sound progressive or appropriate.

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