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Gender politics of eating a roast chicken!!

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ColdOopNorth · 10/09/2020 08:32

Apologies in advance if this is the wrong place to ask and it seems rather trivial but.... I come from a traditional Northern family and I am in my 50's. I have always , from early childhood, believed that it is 'normal' when carving a roast bird to give the men the legs and the women get the breast! This was 'the rule' growing up, my husband took this as normal too and I never ever questioned why until my non-British friends came for lunch and thought it was the most weird, bizarre thing ever and are still talking about it weeks after. Is this a thing for anyone else and any idea why? I suspect it is to do with men being allowed to pick up the leg and gnaw on it whilst us 'ladies' are far too refined - just goes to show how deeply ingrained some of these stereotypes are eh

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Grellbunt · 11/09/2020 00:59

Denying biology has got us into quite a mess, so yes, I’d like to see a bit more recognition of different calorific requirements etc. I’d love to be able to order a small medium or large meal in a resto....

Stripesgalore · 10/09/2020 22:45

The conclusion to this seems to be that it isn’t a Northern thing but a sexist family thing.

nancybotwinbloom · 10/09/2020 22:38

I agree. I always give my husband a bigger portion because he is bigger than me and needs more calories.

CatsFantastic · 10/09/2020 22:15

I’m a breast lady myself. As is DH. Neither of us like legs or wings, we buy crowns!

Something that has come up in this thread is “penis portions” and how it pisses some posters off because it implies sexism, it used to piss me off too, until I realised that matching my DHs food portions meant I put on 3 stone !! It’s taken my body a long time to re learn the correct portions I need, and i actually think we need to encourage people to me more aware of the physical differences between men and women - women (in general) do need less calories than men. Obviously there will be exceptions to this rule- female athletes in training vs man on diet etc, but it’s really unhelpful to just write off the idea that men need to eat more than women because it’s sexist - technically it is sexist because male and female nutritional needs are different but it’s biology that’s set that up, not society, maybe reframing it as ‘nutritional requirements’ rather than ‘penis portion’ would help ?

Howallergic · 10/09/2020 20:41

Now I'm a grown up I have the legs and DH has the breasts though.

We still talking about chickens? Grin

powershowerforanhour · 10/09/2020 20:26

My husband tried to pretend he was being all chivalrous giving me the breast...no fella, everyone knows the crispy bits are the nicest! We tried to pull that one on our little daughter but she has also copped on now so we all compete for wings and the end of the legs, then dark meat. Everyone gets a share. DH gives me the oysters...we both like them so I appreciate it. Willingly handing the nicest, crispiest piece of anything- the crusty edge of a bit of lasagne, the perfect bit of bacon rind- over in our house ( rather than defending it with a sharp fork) is about the most significant expression of love possible. Makes me feel like those swans that mate for life and die heartbroken across their lover's corpse in the end.

ParadiseLaundry · 10/09/2020 19:51

This is how I remember chickens being carved up when I was a kid and I'm also northern.

Now I'm a grown up I have the legs and DH has the breasts though.

Howallergic · 10/09/2020 17:36

I'm Irish and my father is a farmer but he always ate the legs. In fairness, it's probably because none of the rest of us didn't like the brown meat. My mother could match him in terms of amount of food consumed and has been obese all her life. A lady portion might have been better for her. I don't have a huge appetite and would probably eat what most would consider a child's portion.
In my 2 adult, one child household, the child was served first - mainly because she's the most important person to me and I want her to have the nicest and best bits to be sure she'll eat it. Then I'd serve myself and DH would go last.

BertieBotts · 10/09/2020 17:20

I've come across this too. It's definitely a thing!

frogswimming · 10/09/2020 17:19

I'm northern and have never heard of this. Or any other food division based on anything but people asking for their own preference.

SoManyActivities · 10/09/2020 17:16

Oh my god yes! This was totally a thing in my house growing up, I had never really thought about it until now! My dad always got the legs and when we go to my parents my mum always gives DH a leg too and we get the breast.

The males always got served first as well, and still do sometimes when we go to my parents for dinner although we do mention it now and take the piss a bit!

lazylinguist · 10/09/2020 17:16

I once knew a guy who said he would refuse to buy a woman a pint if he was getting a round in.

What a twat! I'm nearly 50 and always drank pints, but I'm pretty sure my DM and DGM didn't because it wasn't ladylike. My DF wouldn't have batted an eyelid, but my DGF might have.

lazylinguist · 10/09/2020 17:13

Male guests always went first. Even Male guest children went ahead of adult women guests once they hit their teens.

Wow- if anything I've seen more 'ladies first' in that kind of situation (or just guests first and no order according to sex of guests or hosts).

Namechangetoavoidmra · 10/09/2020 17:08

This was also how it was when I grew up in the 80s. It was most obvious when we had visitors. Male guests always went first. Even Male guest children went ahead of adult women guests once they hit their teens. It’s sexist bollocks

midgebabe · 10/09/2020 17:01

That may be where we are different
I needed to thoroughly test every assumption about girls

AryaStarkWolf · 10/09/2020 16:48

@midgebabe

Well to be fair , I have learnt that the occasional half is better than matching men pint for pint...me being a little smaller!
I never said anything about matching anyone though
midgebabe · 10/09/2020 16:45

Well to be fair , I have learnt that the occasional half is better than matching men pint for pint...me being a little smaller!

AryaStarkWolf · 10/09/2020 16:29

@midgebabe

Your age, your culture, yes it was a thing which I successfully challenged in my teens

Not sure if it just wasn't ladylike to knaw the leg? Or to have robust taste buds?

a bit like women drinking pints or from a bottle (beer) isn't "lady like" I once knew a guy who said he would refuse to buy a woman a pint if he was getting a round in. I just can't deal with people like that, I can't understand how they don't realise how utterly offensive it is to think you can tell a person what glass they're allowed drink from based on their genitals or maybe they just don't care, they just think they're the superior species and we women should do as we're told, that's probably more like it
CuriousaboutSamphire · 10/09/2020 16:16

Like toddlers and Bishop Berkeley.

Old enough to know that reference Grin

Cattiwampus · 10/09/2020 16:12

*And what about those of us who have?

We don't dismiss your opinion, aren't so belligerently certain that because we have experienced thing that EVRYONE MUST HAVE*

We’re just really old and confused, CuriousaboutSamphire And obviously not members of that group that insists if they believe it to be so, then it is so.
Like toddlers and Bishop Berkeley.

midgebabe · 10/09/2020 15:30

Your age, your culture, yes it was a thing which I successfully challenged in my teens

Not sure if it just wasn't ladylike to knaw the leg? Or to have robust taste buds?

JillGoodacre · 10/09/2020 15:26

I am NE England and it was definitely a 'thing' where I'm from

CuriousaboutSamphire · 10/09/2020 14:09

The chicken oysters were traditionally a delicacy for ladies, but that's very old-fashioned. I accidentally showed DH where they are... perks for the chef, he cooks most Sunday lunches, I do puddings Sad

katy1213 · 10/09/2020 14:07

This was the norm in our family, but chicken was more of a treat then. The chicken oysters were traditionally a delicacy for ladies, but that's very old-fashioned.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 10/09/2020 13:51

Why thank you for that snappy judgement on me and my family!

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