Stonewall dropping the G?

It's not a trans project, it's a project about women and I think trans is being shoehorned in there

Just re-read another part because I couldn't find United Nations and there it was, except it referred to sustainable development, so I went and did a check. This is all about women and all the things we talk about here on this board. This is more 'under the radar' stuff
www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/gender-equality/

This is how we are to be known now? 'persons formerly known as female'.

Well this may be the suggestion/rebranding hope, but to work, it would take the co operation and consent of females, who make up half the human race. There's obviously not much in it at all for females, not to mention some contentious issues of respect, equality, freedom of choice of identity, debatable concepts and things like that, not to mention it being a very complicated and convoluted phrase, so I don't think it will catch on.

I wonder if anyone can explain, no, I mean really explain?

Do they think lesbians wont notice and does Stonewall care, after all it has decided to include intersex people, against their wishes?????

I read the link and it's obvious that the word lesbian has been inserted into the first page of each country project by Stonewall as the text has virtually nothing about lesbians after the header paragraphs.

This project is all about identity.

Slapping the word lesbian on a majority trans project proves Get the L Out to be unequivocally right about Stonewall.

formerly known as female people

This is how we are to be known now? 'persons formerly known as female'. Is it like Prince, only with the Venus symbol?

Shame on them.

Also worth noting that Stonewall prefers female type people to term themselves as queer rather than gay or lesbian, and queer isn't mentioned here either.

The L and B in this context don't appear refer to what were formerly known as female people. Or as a TW has explained on another thread, those who should properly be termed either 'non TWs' or 'persons assigned female at birth on the basis of observed anatomical characteristics'.

It's an interesting belief system.

3 out of 5 of the partners listed there are focussing on transwomen. So, it's still T above and before L or B. Unless the L or B happens to have the right kind of chromosomes. Also:

'‘I want to see lesbians, bi and trans women in Uganda recognised as women – not only in government but also within the broader mainstream women’s movement.’'

My head hurts. I dare say lesbians and bi women are recognised as women, how on earth would they not be?

All around the world lesbians, bi women and trans people (LBT+ communities) continue to be excluded by international movements and systems that should serve them

No irony here? No acknowledgement that in the UK, Canada, the US, Australia and New Zealand lesbian women who refuse to accept that a man can be a woman, or refuse to accept men in their lesbian circles, are excluded and silenced and campaigned against by Stonewall, Amnesty and many other major players? No acknowledgement that Mermaids and other allies are clearly homophobic? No acknowledgement that many of those organisations try to avoid using the word woman or women where possible and resort to new-speak like 'menstruators' and 'people with cervixes' to do so? No acknowledgement that Stonewall has utterly betrayed the lesbian and bisexual women it pretends to support and represent?

It's beyond shameless.

What is a man?

There are now apparently men and non men. How do we define these? What is this bullshit really about?

Nothing to do with toxic stereotypes at all. Nope.

Is there a suggestion that gays are just to boringly mainstream and comfy now, or is it something bandwagonish that will secure ongoing funding?

And does mention of alphabetti spaghetti attract censure?

Yup, that's how I understood it from reading the link.

You read the link? That's not really in the spirit of the site.

Yeah it's a campaign targeting women (and 'women') written in the usual stonewall gobbledegook.

Nah! It's one campaign. And it very firmly lumps anyone whose gender choice does not match their sex in with women!

Woman = human catch all category!

And for the record, I'm an L.

I would think the L and B refer to the ones with XY chromosomes.

Just as a quick heads up to posters, the 'soup' reference is now a deletable

Say what now??

posted too early. and we know how good they are at collecting evidence

Here's a thought. Stonewall will be doing the Europe stuff and now has an added dimension by joining organisations in other continents. This is an unbelievably smart move. Even if the other groups have difficulties because of culture and politics, Stonewall will be able to plough ahead with its European endeavours. I might have a guess that Trans becomes the focus?

Just as a quick heads up to posters, the 'soup' reference is now a deletable and strike worthy offence due to this being perceived as a slur, even if you are LGBT+ yourself. I could wish this had been mentioned before strikes started being awarded, but HQ's decision.

It seems to be mostly intended as a specific campaign for women who are not heterosexual. They've included the T (with no specification as to whether it refers to TM, TW or both).Given that globally women are subject to the marginalisation they mention, and that homophobia is still rife in many countries, this actually seems to me like it might be quite a good redirection - properly intersectional and not all about western males.

Of course their track record of late inclines women to be sceptical of their motives but I'd rather see them putting a lot of effort on this front.

It's becoming less like alphabet soup and more like a sandwich.

Miss-call...