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Single sex spaces

170 replies

MiladyRenata · 08/09/2020 18:56

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/08/businesswoman-launches-legal-action-against-the-garrick-club

I'm genuinely curious about what the defenders of women only spaces feel about men doing the same sort of thing.

Clearly there are some reasons why this might be asymmetrical; men are likely to have far fewer reasons for feeling physically safer in a single sex environment, for example. But if a group of men want to create an all male space because they feel happier there (for whatever reason), does it do any more harm than an exclusive female only space?

Alternatively, is it fundamentally unhealthy to operate sex exclusive spaces at all unless there is a really good reason for doing so?

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littlbrowndog · 10/09/2020 09:43

I really want to know about the grandchildren thing. That is blowing my mind

BrollyKnickers · 10/09/2020 09:37

@DickKerrLadies

I don't know where this obsession with males entering women's facilities comes from.

I know. Weird, isn't it? They should just stay out, no matter how obsessed they are with coming in women's facilities.

Too right.

MichelleofzeResistance · 10/09/2020 08:49

Thank you for explaining how you term female people within in your belief system, Renata . I find it difficult to balance the appeals you make to female people for their respect and understanding with the overt lack of reciprocal respect the terminology and responses you're using are showing to females.

I respect that you believe this, and I respect people's right to hold their own beliefs and faiths. However those of a belief system need to equally respect and understand that others may not share in it and will not wish to participate in or act upon beliefs that they do not hold.

CasuallyMasculine · 10/09/2020 08:29

@Whatwouldscullydo

Wow. Thats incredible.

As is the fact we carry our own grand children inside us if we have a baby girl.

That fact has blown my mind!
RedDogsBeg · 10/09/2020 08:24

@DickKerrLadies

Slugs destroyed my courgette plants this year.

Bastards.

They might have done you a favour, apparently home grown courgettes have been responsible for a spate of serious food poisoning incidents this year!
DeliciouslyFemale · 10/09/2020 08:23

It seems no matter how hard you try to protect the plants assigned female at blooming on the basis of observed growth characteristics that then grow to produce adult fruits/veg assigned female at blooming on the basis of observed growth characteristics, the pests will mange to damage them. I watched a video on YouTube once, showing a giant slug taking bites out of one cucumber which is obviously assigned female at blooming on the basis of observed growth characteristics, as are all cucumbers and courgettes, before moving onto another. It’s depressing how many fruits/veg one invertebrate can damage in one visit.

On the plus side, I got an absolute glut of sugar snap peas. I covered them in netting, which makes to protect them, so far, from the dreaded list of flying pests. I grew onions alongside the carrots, so I hope that the smell will manage to protect them from the horrible carrot fly.

RedDogsBeg · 10/09/2020 08:19

[quote MiladyRenata]@RedDogsBeg

I still maintain that trans women are women (and female), hence the term "trans women".

I should, perhaps have said "a changing room where non trans women are undressed"

Hope that tidies things up for you.[/quote]
It tidies it up in as much as it proves to me without any doubt my suspicions of you and your agenda.

Notable how you chose to put 51% of the population into a category with a negative in front of the description elevating the non negative category above it as the default.

Your motives and agenda are totally transparent despite your simpering that you "just want to pee/just want to live your life as your authentic self", you want to, and are actively trying to, deny 51% of the right to live their lives in safety and with dignity.

Whatwouldscullydo · 10/09/2020 08:16

Wow. Thats incredible.

As is the fact we carry our own grand children inside us if we have a baby girl.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 10/09/2020 08:14

Via Twitter.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 10/09/2020 08:13

Here is an actual large, human gamete in the process of leaving an ovary. A thing that only women experience, (and some of you might have flinched a little because you know the process can hurt).

Amazing, fascinating, female biology in action.

SerenityNowwwww · 10/09/2020 08:05

I have an infestation of greenfly in my basil plants...

merrymouse · 10/09/2020 07:58

@DickKerrLadies

Slugs destroyed my courgette plants this year.

Bastards.

Those sneaky simultaneous hermaphrodites, laughing at us all!
Cocothefirst · 10/09/2020 07:58

Slugs are ugly, slimy bastards.

They're always getting into my boyfriend's hostas.

DeliciouslyFemale · 10/09/2020 07:56

@DickKerrLadies

Slugs destroyed my courgette plants this year.

Bastards.

That happened to my cucumber plant. The one night I skipped slug and snail collecting and went out the next day to discover they had destroyed all six cucumbers. The speed at which they eat and moved really took me by surprise.
DickKerrLadies · 10/09/2020 07:52

Slugs destroyed my courgette plants this year.

Bastards.

DeliciouslyFemale · 10/09/2020 07:50

@DickKerrLadies

I don't know where this obsession with males entering women's facilities comes from.

I know. Weird, isn't it? They should just stay out, no matter how obsessed they are with coming in women's facilities.

Grin
DeliciouslyFemale · 10/09/2020 07:49

My courgettes didn’t do well this year. Unfortunately the plants assigned female at blooming on the basis of observed growth characteristics weren’t fertilised due to a shortage of insects in that area of the garden. I’m new to gardening and didn’t realise I could have helped by taking the flower off the plant assigned male at blooming on the basis of observed growth characteristics and putting it inside the flowers assigned female at blooming on the basis of observed growth characteristics. It’s amazing that you can actually see the difference in sex between the two plants.

DickKerrLadies · 10/09/2020 07:45

I don't know where this obsession with males entering women's facilities comes from.

I know. Weird, isn't it? They should just stay out, no matter how obsessed they are with coming in women's facilities.

Whatwouldscullydo · 10/09/2020 07:21

spl

Whatwouldscullydo · 10/09/2020 07:19

Urgh...heard it all now.

Did someone actually just do that thing we probably aren't allowed to mention but we just had our own definition of what we are spl** to us

Good god the entitlement is incredible.

We say no.
Woman and female are s ours
Find your own damn word

ItalianHat · 10/09/2020 06:34

Persons assigned female at birth on the basis of observed anatomical characteristics
Scientifically inaccurate and biologically ill-informed.

Females are the producers of large gametes; males produce small gametes. This holds for all mammals. We are mammals. Mammals are sexually dimorphic.

boatyardblues · 10/09/2020 06:31

Looks like a bog standard courgette flower to me, Butterer.

Harriedharriet · 10/09/2020 03:46

@MiladyRenata

OK, we're going off topic but never mind.

I don't know where this obsession with males entering women's facilities comes from. Most trans women, including myself, would be absolutely mortified by the prospect of entering a changing room where women are undressed. Because, well, biology.

At the same time, I really don't want to be walking into an open plan men's locker room wearing a frock.

We're not out to upset people and invade spaces. We just want to get on with our lives like everybody else.

In that case Milady why don't you and your firends join in and help us out here? I am sure that you would not like to be confronted with a self id in the moment wanker no more than most of would be - right? So raise your voices against the few arses that are out for their own gain.
NiceGerbil · 10/09/2020 02:33

If course
Man boy male don't seem to have changed

And strangely there seems to be little pushback around stuff overseas..

The complaints about the term 'fgm' didn't get much traction.

Plan etc are still allowed to talk about girls without complaints as far as I know.

NiceGerbil · 10/09/2020 02:31

The meaning of words has been changed.

Across NHS, schools, prisons, awards, sports... Woman and girl are gone.

Female is going.

OP is simply engaging to explain how things will be.

OP is not the only person by a mile who sees female as an identity.