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It's an AIBU but it belongs here - Stonewall

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Doyoumind · 08/09/2020 18:18

I know some will say this doesn't belong on this board but I believe it is a response to certain GC groups.

Stonewall is trending with #IfirstknewIwaslgbtq, saying that people don't believe it is possible at age 12. The cynic in me says they are going at this angle in response to those who say children can't know they are trans. Of course I believe people can know they are gay by 12. I can even accept people know they are trans by 12. Being gay at 12 may have a huge impact on you socially but being trans at 12 and starting on a medical pathway is something entirely different and it is dishonest to conflate the two.

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merrymouse · 08/09/2020 19:35

What they are doing is telling 12 year old children who are growing into sexual maturity that 20 something men & women are their peers. They are not. It helps facilitate grooming & abuse.

Absolutely!!!!

Regardless of whether a 12 year old knows they are gay or heterosexual or trans or wants to join the army, they shouldn't be lumped in with 23 year olds.

yourhairiswinterfire · 08/09/2020 19:28

It's time some adults fucking grew up and started adulting properly.

Absolutely. Case in point, the group Allison was talking about just tweeted this. "Suck your mums". Haven't heard that since I was in school.

Methinks Allison has a point... Hmm

Kazakaren · 08/09/2020 18:58

Obviously its possible to know you are gay at age 12. Maybe even trans. But a child that age is not able to make the life changing decision to change sex, take puberty blockers, and embark on a pathway that will damage their physical and potentially mental health longer term. Children rely on adults to make those decisions for them in their best interests. They rely on adults to keep them safe. It's time some adults fucking grew up and started adulting properly.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 08/09/2020 18:55

What they are doing is telling 12 year old children who are growing into sexual maturity that 20 something men & women are their peers. They are not. It helps facilitate grooming & abuse.

This is what she has tweeted.

The sun is shining with Allison.

AnyOldPrion · 08/09/2020 18:53

I apologise, I think I missed the point! Still, never mind. At least it wasn’t deliberate!

AnyOldPrion · 08/09/2020 18:52

“is whipping up a backlash […] based on a false premise”

That’s their modus operandi. They pretend that “trans“ is wholly equivalent to gay or lesbian and that anyone objecting now would have been a homophobe a few years back.

The fact that many of those objecting now weren’t homophobes, but homosexual, and the very obvious fact that “being trans” is wholly dissimilar to being gay or lesbian is brushed aside as a minor irrelevance.

This particular episode might have been stimulated by Alison’s tweet, but it’s not a new technique.

MillyMollyFarmer · 08/09/2020 18:45

But it's a dishonest representation of the issue

Which is pretty much stonewall in a nutshell these days. It’s what they do. Deliberately. They gotta earn those donations!

Floisme · 08/09/2020 18:43

I saw the thread and I thought Allison made it perfectly clear that it was putting 12 year olds in the same group as 23 year olds that was her concern. If Stonewall are seriously trying to imply otherwise it's because she's formidable and probably scares the crap out of them.

Doyoumind · 08/09/2020 18:26

I know about Allison's tweet. But it's a dishonest representation of the issue Allison has and is whipping up a backlash against her based on a false premise because of the issues between Stonewall and herself and her views.

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yourhairiswinterfire · 08/09/2020 18:26

I think garden is right, it was because of Allison Bailey bringing up the safeguarding issue by lumping in 12 year olds with 23 year olds.

They (Exist Loudly, their group) told Allison to fuck off Hmm so not the kind of people I'd like my child contacting, tbh.

gardenbird48 · 08/09/2020 18:21

I think this is to do with Allison Bailey's tweet about a survey being targeted at age 12-23 year old black lgbtetcx people with a payment of £15 promised for completing the survey.
They are asking children to dm them and then presumably give out personal details to allow payment - safeguarding red flag ahoy!!

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