Douglas Murray scathing about trans ideology

And some women must be buying the camel toe things, otherwise they wouldn't be selling them.

It's not inconceivable that a man googling trans issues might be marketed them.

It's odd that women are the buying them but none of us know their name - they can't be 'camel toe things'. Its likely to be very niche or novelty thing.

Does he say how many are actually sold, because it would be ridiculous to use them to make a point about women's sexuality if they don't sell in large numbers.

This is when i find out I'm the only one without a couple.

Incidentally having camel toe when I was a teen was considered on par with having the back of your skirt covered in menstrual blood or your nipples showing through your white school shirt.
Tres embarrassment.

From an article about the camel toe phenomenon.

"The bonkers trend originated in Asia a decade ago, where women are thought to be using the knickers to accentuate their lady parts."

"This is despite the fact that most women would curl up into a ball if anyone caught them with a camel toe."

"The answer may be because it isn't women buying, but trans ladies trying to hide a tell-tale bulge."

I also found the stuff about women and make up really odd.

I watched a talk where he made an observation about women and the power of their looks....with his now very impressive pecs and guns...irony. I've seen male interviewers fall for him who I think aren't even gay.

The everyday appearance of a person is an odd thing to use to criticise women, I thought Murray would know better. I was disappointed with that book as well, but only for that reason.

I agree with the above, but it is also inescapable that quite a few women buy into the fantasies in books like the 50 Shades of Grey trilogy. After all, SOMEONE is buying them.
And some women must be buying the camel toe things, otherwise they wouldn't be selling them.

Douglas is often very good at "hot takes", I.e. seeing and saying something that others can't/won't. However his research skills aren't great. He seems to decide early on what he wants to find, and then sticks with that no matter what.

I read TMOC, and it seems that Murray has a lot of misconceptions about women, especially women who aren't "womaning" right. For example, he is weirdly obsessed with Nicky Minaj.

I agree 'The Madness of Crowds' wasn't the best. He'd not really given it much thought and it seemed, in the main, to rely purely on riding the wave of recent critiques of intersectionalism.

He said Posie Parker was a northern housewife. Made me seriously question his research abilities.

Unless 'right wing' simply means someone who says something you find disagreeable.

Yep, and he thinks women wear make up to deceive men, and banning sexual approaches at work is bad because some people meet their partners at work... all pretty right wing stuff

Not sure how your examples here are indicative of right wing ideology?

Yep, agree with the above. I listened to The Madness of Crowds as an audiobook, Douglas narrates it and I really do enjoy his waspish delivery. But the chapter on feminism was noticeably weaker than the rest. Straw women arguments throughout, and conclusions being jumped to with acrobatic leaps. I did wonder if someone more well versed in BAME political thought than me might also think the same of the race chapter.

I like him as a thinker and speaker though, still. I disagree with a lot, but he always makes me think.

Yes, the bit about women in Madness of the Crowds was dire. I agree with PP who said it's like he hasn't considered that women may be reading his book too, but I find a lot of male writers do that. They talk about women as though they are separate from the readership. It's entirely unconscious, but very telling.

However, I do agree with Murray on other subjects. He is worth listening to - and disagreeing with where appropriate. I think he is open to disagreement.

Yep, and he thinks women wear make up to deceive men, and banning sexual approaches at work is bad because some people meet their partners at work... all pretty right wing stuff.

we invest in weird products like one that accentuates 'camel toes' in order to attract men.

Yes and we buy fake nipples to make our nipples look erect apparently? Some of that was so weird, almost like DM has never met an actual woman. I find his articles often thought-provoking but I wasn’t that taken with the Madness of Crowds.

This thread is a bit old, but I'm reactivating it because I'm reading 'The Madness of Crowds'.

Only two chapters in, but I'm sure I'm not on the same page as Murray. Yes, I agree that genderism and intersectionalism are ideologies for our times, when people are looking for meaning in the absence of religion. It's also true that Judith Butler writes gibberish. But, he doesn't seem to know how intersectionalism began - that the original idea was to include black women's perspectives. Also, the chapter on feminism is excruciating. Apparently women's favourite reading material is rape fantasies, and we invest in weird products like one that accentuates 'camel toes' in order to attract men. There was one sentence where he mentioned 'we can find out how women think by...' which implied he doesn't think women are among his readers. Too busy reading rape fantasies and trying to entrap men, probably.

Loved the Madness of Crowds but reading the section on feminism was a bit awkward as I felt like he used silly examples of the female experience.

Venn diagram of 'insane' and 'majority' may be required.

Agree, Bovary. An age of fatal impurity, aye! I think currently we face threats from various directions - the extreme left, the extreme right, Russia, China, and from apolitical threats like climate change, covid, environmental degradation. Not sure which is most pressing, which might negate each other or exacerbate each other. Interesting times ...

I have a lot of time for Murray. I don't agree with everything he says, but I love his no fucks attitude.