Don't understand how someone can be transgender? This man explains it all!

But we dont feel male or female, we just are due to the body we have and how we are socialised into the male/female role. We become men and women through a process of socialisation and gendered expectations of the sex role , some of us are more happy to align with this and others less so, its all very dependent on individual 'PERSONALITY'

I was going to add my POV but realized it had been captured here (almost perfectly). The only edit I’d make is to say I do feel like my sex as a result of socialization.

If anyone who says they are a woman is a woman then how do women's rights work?

'You (general you) shouldn't not accept trans women just because you're under the notion that all biological men might be dangerous.'

Interesting. You're pro mixed sex for everything then? To be fairer on men?

What does it mean in practical terms to "accept transwomen" to you quaagars?

You seem to want to find some happy compromise. Where would you put the boundaries if you ruled the world?

Quagaars still has fingers firmly in ears

Errr...
Nope, I completely agree biology exists.
I'm AGREEING in places.
I'm agreeing with biology, and with the fact that I see it's a dilemma (for want of a better word) when it comes to law.
An overlap in rights if you like.
I could counter argue the ones with fingers firmly in ears are those who flat out believe that there is something else for others, would prefer to think that trans men don't exist when they clearly do, etc....
I'm not sure where it goes from there.
Stalemate?
Women's rights are important but so are trans rights.
You (general you) shouldn't not accept trans women just because you're under the notion that all biological men might be dangerous.

If we can't use women (because for some people it apparently means something different to do with internal feelings), we still need words to define what we are taking about
Isn't that why we say woman and trans woman? Still acknowledges that women are women, and trans women are women but we say trans women to differentiate?
We can still use biology, it's still there.

Fair enough it will still exist! However if woman/ girl / female are decoupled from biology then there is no way to talk about the 50% of the global population who are female as a group.

Biology is being taken away as a means of definition.

Quagaars still has fingers firmly in ears.

Quagaars is arguing at cross purposes again, somehow inferring that because people here are discussing whether laws should be changed on the basis of some peoples feelings, that means they deny such people exist/ have the right to their own experiences.

It's really simple: women are oppressed because of biology.

We need a name for the people sharing our biology so we can legislate against discrimination on the basis of sex, which is a thing that happens.

If we can't use women (because for some people it apparently means something different to do with internal feelings), we still need words to define what we are taking about.

If I decide that cups are not cups any more but just 'crockery' , how can I explain that I wasn't the kind of crockery that tea goes in as opposed to the kind that cereal goes in?

Sexism won't go away just because we pretend that it doesn't happen.

The ether doesn't exist either

Sigh. Yes, we know biology exists regardless.

Why should we abandon decision making in law, for example, based not on the material but on the irrational belief that womanhood exists in the ether?

Quaagers yes biology is being taken.
Some trans people self iD as cis for example

OK, so what if they do? Doesn't mean biology isn't real anymore.
Just because some people are trans, or are trans but say they're c * s, doesn't mean that suddenly there's no such thing as biology.
That's still there.

Why should we take 'there is more to it for some' as anything other than an irrational fringe belief?

The definition of 'woman' is biological. What do you mean by 'there is more to it for some?

Have you read the linked article in the OP, or what people have been saying on the thread?

Being a woman, a massive part of being a woman is your biology. Just because there's more to it for some

The definition of 'woman' is biological. What do you mean by 'there is more to it for some?' It is a limited category. Its limitations are biological. There is a vast diversity within its limitations. But its biological limitations are non negotiable.

Quaagers yes biology is being taken.

Some trans people self iD as cis for example.

Certainly it's the case that gender is supposed to be more important than sex.

Biology is why things like prisons and sports and changing used to be sex segregated. Now they aren't.

Statistics are being made into nonsense.

Etc etc

How does saying that changing the law/rules based on someone's internal unprovable feelings 'negate them'?

If that's s thing, why is it ok to 'negate' women who say they don't have an internal sense of gender iD by telling them they are cis and just don't know their own mind. Which is something I have seen.

Other people believe in alien abduction. The existence of irrational belief is not an argument for respecting that belief.
Why should feminists respect the belief that womanhood is a concept independent of matter that can reside in any body, and that this should be the principle around which society should organise?

If you take away the root cause of our oppression as being a 'thing'

Nobody's taking away biology though!
Being a woman, a massive part of being a woman is your biology.
Just because there's more to it for some, why does that mean biology suddenly isn't important?
It still is.

We are not hearing other people's experience

Yes you are. Told you mine for a start.
The man in the OP, the one linked, told you his too.
What are they then?
@DidoLamenting linked to some too earlier in the thread, but they weren't real trans men? Or something

We are being told that we must credit a feeling of woman hood with some kind of significance in the context of women's rights

No, just that it isn't all there is for some people. If there is more for me, and this man in the article, stands to reason that there would be more for trans people too.
If you don't have that, then fair enough but it doesn't negate others who do.

The whole reason we need feminism / women's liberation is because around the world we are treated in certain ways because of our sex. And due to our sex, we have sex role enforced on us.

If you take away the root cause of our oppression as being a 'thing', if you deny women the ability to talk about what it means to be female in various societies, then you can't do feminism at all.

And that is important to some- the lambasting of 'gynocentric' feminism is well recorded.

So make an argument, or stop wasting our time.

'The entire thread is about an article of a man who says he is c * s and what that is to him'

But when women talk about their experiences due to their sex they are told they are exclusionary, and also that it's wrong to link experiences due to female biology with their sex...

We are not hearing other people's experience. We are being told that we must credit a feeling of woman hood with some kind of significance in the context of women's rights

'Sorry to break this to you, but you aren't the be all and end all of everyone else.'

So how come everyone has to go along with the idea there's an internal sense of gender ID? To the point that it gets codified in law and loads of existing social and legal rules area changed to accommodate it?

If that's not one group being the 'be all and end all' then what is?

then go away and take your gendered soul nonsense with you. It's not on topic

The entire thread is about an article of a man who says he is c * s and what that is to him.
Entirely on topic.
What thread did you think you were on? Or commenting on?

God, this is so tedious

What, hearing others experiences?
Is there not enough "yeah! All bollocks!" posts for you?

It's so insulting to be told there's a 'feeling of womanhood' that has its existence independent of the female body. Bullshit

Sorry to break this to you, but you aren't the be all and end all of everyone else.