Harry’s doing bad day for S organisation again...

Hopefully though the Times will get a wider readership.

Jo March is great, but I sometimes wonder what the overlap is between the people who comment on the Times articles and the people who post here. Quite big, I suspect.

The comments on that article are gold. I've had all of mine published now (some delays). I only hope people are reading all the comments and taking them in.

Hazeldine you just have to keep scrolling down.

Can you only see Times comments if you’re a subscriber?

The guidance held that children could be guilty of criminal behaviour because of their thoughts, reactions or with whom they chose to be friends.
I wish they had put that in the first paragraph. I'm not even a journalist but I know you're supposed to put your most attention grabbing points first. That opening is so dry I imagine only people who already know what's going on will have read much further. So while I'm pleased they've covered it, I'm a bit disappointed to see the Times pulling their punches, and also kind of wondering why.

That a publicly funded body could put that guidance out leaves me speechless. I hope every single person involved in the production of it is aware of their appalling overreach and are fucking quaking in their mendacious cowardly boots.

The Times article is short and to the point. I know the case well and even so, I winced at the bluntness of "The guidance held that children could be guilty of criminal behaviour because of their thoughts, reactions or with whom they chose to be friends."

That's exactly what the guidance said,but it still makes my jaded self blink that the CPS issued it.

The former Permanent Secretary at the DfE (Jonathan Slater - now let go) - won an award from Stonewall for his advocacy. It's on their website.The DfE gives large grants to Stonewall.

The former head of the EHRC (David Isaacs), which is meant to give accurate guidance on the implementation of the Equality Act, used to be Chair of Stonewall.

The Govt. and Civil Service therefore seem to have been allowed to become a wing of the unelected lobby group, Stonewall.

God, it's just so damning isn't it.

Aesopfable

Yes, good point!

Yep. I look for her too. She posted something under my comment (probably something I'd forgotten).

I just was so over the moon when I saw the crowd funder. That really is fantastic.

Does anyone think there'll be more this week (apart from the fishy stuff). I seem to remember back when we were given a juicy bit of info, it was implied that it was going to be a bad week. Bit greedy isn't it .

I'm waiting for an MP to bring it up in the Commons

Yes Jo is amazing. Been spouting sebse from day one . Many have tried and failed to take her down.

Jo March comment on that article: spot on in every way.

The former Permanent Secretary at the DfE (Jonathan Slater - now let go) - won an award from Stonewall for his advocacy. It's on their website.The DfE gives large grants to Stonewall.

The former head of the EHRC (David Isaacs), which is meant to give accurate guidance on the implementation of the Equality Act, used to be Chair of Stonewall.

The Govt. and Civil Service therefore seem to have been allowed to become a wing of the unelected lobby group, Stonewall.

I also love Jo March. I am reasonably sure she is a MumsNetter as well as bring a champion writer elsewhere. Jo, you always so measured and respectful even when you are correcting my mistakes

Another Jo March fan here.

I always look for Jo March's comments!

Sorry Jo, I did not mean to use lower case for your name.

Is jo march who, in the comments, explained a lot of detail of Stonewalls actions a Mums Netter? If you are Jo, thank you very much, I think you have converted some Times readers today, well done.

Or rather, desist from pushing them under the bus in the first place.

That is a better way of putting it, thank you.

I'm not sure whether the commenter has missed that point about "real TG" or whether they're deliberately co-opting "real TG" to cover all trans people-with-penises. I would guess from the use of "TG" rather than "TS" it's the latter.

One needs to acknowledge a dichotomy with Transgender issues. Real TG, those who struggled with identity for years, or Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria, alias silly girls.

This is an interesting rhetorical move in the Times comments. As the detransitioning stories continue to emerge will TRAs eventually resort to throwing "trans men" under the bus?

@nauticant I think if you just comment on trans articles you probably get a flag and less likelihood of getting published. Try to write asinine crap under a bunch of articles to dilute the evidence of your clear thinking-ness

Indeed, what do Stonewall mean by 'trans rights'? Male supremacy? Who knows.

Great comments AND a link to the fundraiser