Funded by the US religious far right...

If you ‘win’ the argument and can prove that “UK based pro women organisations are funded by the US religious far right” is a false statement, and actually we fund ourselves what will you win?

I can guarantee it won’t be his support, understanding, or agreement.

His argument will just change, as he’s already demonstrated by saying anything GC women do is “mired in hate”.

So what’s the point to all this prove this, show that except to rile you. I’m assuming you’re not going to change your mind, and I’m pretty sure only age, or new friends, will change his.

To be honest, in your position I would stop arguing with him.
He wants to 'win' - his mind is closed to your reasoning.
I think I would point out his privilege is showing and women's rights are not his to give away.. respect is a two way street.

*He'll.lecture anyone who'll listen on the patriarchy, male violence, women's rights. Except on this matter when he truly believes TP are a marginalised, oppressed minority group. This is the latest civil right's movement.

He's not bad or stupid, he's just totally fallen for it all.*

The trouble is that people who feel very earnestly that they are right get very het up about being right, and become very entrenched. Any attempt to argue, discuss, talk them down will fail, because it just fires up the self righteousness further and the drama and the 'them and us' dynamic.

I honestly would just avoid arguing on this topic. You can't win, I doubt it will help him (or you, or your relationship). Try pretending to agree with him, see what happens. Honestly, though, defusing the tension is key here. Nobody can move forward when it's got into a 'my way or the high way' situation, and especially not using logic, it'll just bounce off him because this is an emotional issue not a logical one.

OP

If he’s interested in links between non UK based religious fundamentalists and the supposed bigotry of women, you could ask him his views on the huge financial support the Iranian Mullahs (and possibly in Pakistan- could be wrong) to pay for transgender reassignment surgery as a way to ‘cure’ homosexuality - where the alternative is execution.

The TRAs have hideous bedfellows.

What’s more bigoted - the UK’s equality act with single sex exemptions for the privacy, dignity, safety and equity of access for women and girls or the Iranian Mullahs?

How dare he think that as a man he has any right to give away women’s rights

I said exactly this to my DS.

How can a person hate women that much? What could explain that?

Is it genetic?

It's Saturday! Yay!

What tork said OP

He’s not interested in listening to you & engaging with any of your points

He’s mansplaining stuff he hasn’t the faintest idea about. I’d be getting pretty angry at this point Tbh

How dare he think that as a man he has any right to give away women’s rights

Refuse yo discuss it any further - as he’s so convinced he’s right it wont make any difference

Probably got it from here www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/02/07/radical-feminists-conservatives-transgender-rights/

I've made that point to him and he just points to TP(W) as being the victims of women doing the same.

I think you miss my point. You are doing the legwork. He is being a mansplaining dick. The win comes from not playing his game. Stop opening yourself up to being lectured by him. Shut the wee gobshite right down. This topic is no longer open for discussion because it makes you too cross with him.

‘Ach, you’re talking shite’ repeat as necessary. You can’t debate with those who think they know they truth’.

He will grow up eventually and see the world with more mature eyes.

*change his!

Get him to watch Dave Chappelle ask why it was easier for Bruce Jenner to his change gender than for Cassius Clay to change his name?

TorkTork has hit the nail on the head.

Well blimey @MNHQ you dealt with my apparently 'rule breaking' post a lot quicker than you dealt with my complaint about receiving a PM entitled 'Nazi bitch' from a charming poster named 'eat the terfs' last year.

Which rule was broken exactly?

OP. I do think the 'parent' factor is worth considering. So many of our adult children turn back into toddlers / teenagers when confronted with their parent's views and no matter how justified, they will not accept you have a point. Sometimes (not always) it's a form of bullying their parents by disrespecting their views
Personally I stopped engaging and being dismissed by my young adults. I reckon the suggestion upthread that you shake your head at having to listen to such misogyny and disrespect for women in your own home and lay down a boundary. He can of course believe what he wants but you're also entitled to believe in facts and hold legitimate views about women's identity and safety. You won't call him an ignorant misogynist / flat earther and he's not to call you a bigot.

In my experience, as they grow up and get on with life they will one day quietly whisper "You know Mum, you're right about all this trans stuff."

You are playing to his misogyny by seeking his approval for your opinions.

I hate to say it but your "conversations" sound a bit like you are begging his lordship to bestow his blessing upon you and then he pees on your feet while smirking.

Be superior. You ARE his superior.

He is talking nonsense. Likely reasons are:

• he is swayed easily by peer pressure
• he cannot do research properly
• he enjoys toying with you (sounds like this)

He is also insulting you by saying he thinks you can't think for yourself and are easily manipulated by extremists. I would be far more "how dare you!"

An eye roll and refusal to play would be my approach. I would refuse to be drawn in if he starts by (a) simply ignoring and if pressed (b) w"e will have to agree to disagree, let's talk about something else" and if he gets very pushy because he likes the kick he gets from dominating mummy (c) "I said no and I meant it, now stop pestering" (ideally the phrasing and tone you used when he was little) then hang up/walk off.

I think you are actually in a patriarchal battle for dominance. The young man wants to be the boss of his old mother, as is his right in his mind. Big bag of nope.

Why has my post been hidden?

I am leaving this here. Print it. Put it on your fridge. Say nothing.

Given what you’ve replied with so far OP, I’d go the other route. I’d shake my head sadly and despair at the fact you thought you were raising a boy capable of supporting women like you and capable of critical thinking and it’s a massive disappointment to see how he’s turning out, incapable of either. Tell him you’ll discuss it again when he’s grown up a bit, because he sounds like he’s still in the petulant teenage phase and will never admit he’s wrong.

Then wander off looking sad, with the sad theme tune to the old Incredible Hulk tv show playing in your head.

This. Because that's what the situation actually is.

That just validates it to him. Why would the gov and the lottery support movement if it were so fundamentally flawed?
So.... He's a Brexit supporter? Because government would never support something fundamentally flawed

JK Rowling is a multi-millionaire. She hardly needs funding from anyone. She has in fact given away millions of pounds to left-wing charities.

How does he square this circle?

I always wonder who specifically is supposed to be funded by the US religious far right. It's always so vague...

Is it Mumsnet? J K Rowling? Posie Parker? Julie Bindel? Jane Clare Jones? Graham Linehan? Woman's Place UK? Keira Bell? LGB Alliance? Miranda Yardley? All of the above?

Come on, make some specific (actionable?) allocations!

Having thought about this, I don't think there's any point in arguing about the funding stuff. The question to ask him is: can you answer the arguments made by feminists? Why are their arguments wrong? It doesn't really matter if the arguments are made in bad faith or not, the question has to be whether you can show the arguments to be false.