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Funded by the US religious far right...

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LateSummerGarden · 05/09/2020 11:07

My son has completely bought into the TRA agenda and firmly believes that UK based pro women organisations are funded by the US religious far right - which is the current metaphorical stick with which to beat his t*y mother - I should be careful of what I support apparently.

He's seen the accounts and the receipts online (apparently 🙄) although he couldn't find them to show me when he looked...

Is there anything irrefutable (preferably independent) i can show him to prove otherwise?

Thanks

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Antibles · 07/09/2020 09:12

Probably not worth the bother but you could always bring him up short whenever he uses the words 'he' or 'she' about people he doesn't know personally and say "You're assuming their gender". (Which, like all normal people, he will be doing every single day about everyone he sees or meets.)

SonEtLumiere · 07/09/2020 07:47

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LateSummerGarden · 07/09/2020 06:44

That might be my new word of the week.

I imagine he wouldn't like his dad deciding to overtly transition.

No, I'm guessing he wouldn't. But who knows.

I think it's the nonsense of it that irks me the most.

He knows I'm pretty gnc - at least enough to be considered 'non binary' or 'agender' under the trans umbrella but its irrelevant because it doesnt form part of my 'identity'. Apparently.

For some people, it's apparently super important but he can't explain why it should trump biology other than "be nice". It's just silence, name calling orp0 flounces.

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Gingernaut · 07/09/2020 06:27

This is doing the rounds on Twitter.

Ipsedixitism

The emphatic declaration of a statement, put forward as if no supporting evidence is necessary.

MadamBatty · 06/09/2020 22:15

Oh go on Serenity, I like rude

SerenityNowwwww · 06/09/2020 20:24

SmallPug - theres just no explaining something people. My mum had an expression for people but it’s rude.

Griefmonster · 06/09/2020 20:12

Zero point in engaging. It's not your job or role to convince him of anything. I think you just go about your business being critical of gender woo as and when it comes up. You don't need to justify yourself to him.

fatblackcatspaw · 06/09/2020 20:02

There is no point in trying to change the minds of the TWAW crowd. The best it to hope that someone on the fence or hasn't thought about it much sees stuff which makes them think. But if they are ideologically dug in NOTHING will move them. Laydown boundaries and say what you are willing to discuss and what not. But there is nothing you will or can say that will change their mind.

Ps STILL WAITING FOR MY CHEQUE FROM THE RELIGOUS GROUPS??

SmallPug · 06/09/2020 19:53

@NearlyGranny that is just genius!!

SmallPug · 06/09/2020 19:50

@SerenityNowwwww

‘Ach, you’re talking shite’ repeat as necessary. You can’t debate with those who think they know they truth’.

He will grow up eventually and see the world with more mature eyes.

I think this is likely in some cases, but how to explain middle aged women & mothers who are fully TRA indoctrinated?! This is what I cannot fathom. How can you be a woman and a mother and not see this for the utter bullshit it is?!
Antibles · 06/09/2020 19:40

I imagine he wouldn't like his dad deciding to overtly transition.

The clothes, the hair, the makeup, the heels. Demanding female pronouns and asking to be called 'mum'.

ANewCreation · 06/09/2020 18:25

Never thought that I would find mimmymum useful for anything but that twitter thread of GC causes was like an inventory of my GC giving over the last few years! It should be well over £300,000 though (tsk, tsk) as she missed out others such as Ann Sinnott's fight for the correct application of the Equality act exemptions and the various legal actions against the Tavistock.

I am not a rich person but I choose to spend the little bit of spare cash I have (£10, £20 there) as my way of trying to improve the lives of women and girls.

There are thousands of people like me, chipping in and chipping away at this stuff and tbh it is pretty sexist of your son, OP, to assume that women could only do this with the help of the US right wing.

I am guessing that Maths wasn't his subject at uni...

SerenityNowwwww · 06/09/2020 16:47

I only hope that they don’t end up in situations where they feel unsafe, coerced or downright abused because they feel that they can’t say ‘No’ for fear to being denounced.

MadamBatty · 06/09/2020 16:43

Exactly Serenity....I think I may have seen a teeny glimpse in the older one

SerenityNowwwww · 06/09/2020 16:38

They will get life experience and get the rage over it. Then wonder...

MadamBatty · 06/09/2020 16:33

I have 2 TWAW nieces, ironically both lesbians. they’re 25 & 22. I’ll no longer debate or discuss the topic with them. If they try I just smile & say ‘yeah, you’re probably right”.

I not going to change their minds, It’s like a mantra they cling to. It’s all bound up with being kind & inclusive.

LateSummerGarden · 06/09/2020 16:16

thinkingaboutLangCleg

I know. It's nothing like when we went 😔

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SerenityNowwwww · 06/09/2020 16:16

It’s funny - at DSs school they get all sorts in to speak (and I mean some that I’ve almost blown a gasket over). The students have a rule that no one is allowed to interrupt or heckle and they can ask questions after (if they don’t insult or harass the speaker).

I think that’s better - lull them (the speaker) into a false sense of security with all those silent faces politely listening... then unleash a roomful of confident debating society kids on them...

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 06/09/2020 15:43

As soon as you said he’s at university, I thought “Just drop the subject”. Universities are the worst hotbeds of misogyny right now, totally captured by the trans ideology. So sad when they used to be the home of debate — often furious and of course immature. But you would never have heard anyone seriously demanding No Debate.

NearlyGranny · 06/09/2020 12:35

That's very encouraging, OP, and suggests to me that the young man you know and love will soon be back!

Universities used to teach people how to think - now they seem only to teach entitlement and conformity. 🙄

LateSummerGarden · 06/09/2020 11:06

Interesting replies.

I agree that the conversations need to be shut down. I'm not trying to change his mind, just to show a few seeds of doubt that might make him realise that his beliefs are not as failsafe as he thinks.

No, he isn't dating a TW. Of course, I've asked him and he says that he would. But, unless he does, there's no way for me to 'prove ' it either way and has he also already identified as bi without ever having had a boyfriend so... and its impossible to prove. After all, as someone else has said, I knew I was heterosexual long before I'd ever had a boyfriend!

Ereshkigalangcleg I think that explains a lot of it, tbh.

NearlyGranny

He doesnt get any allowance from me. He lives at home but is completely financially independent from me (student loan and a part time job). He contributes financially and has done since leaving school by his own insistence. He was absolutely fine and a normal, considerate kid until going to university.

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NearlyGranny · 06/09/2020 10:34

If you're giving him any kind of allowance or top-up or helping with his accommodation or dealing with his lapses into overdraft (and I bet you are) how about 'confessing' that you're funding it solely from the regular TERF Bigot payments you are receiving from US far-right religious sources?

Add that your chats with him have borne fruit and you now see the error of your ways and have contacted your source to stop sending you the money. Explain that this means you have to stop funding him now, but you know he will approve your motives and get over it.

Suggest that he might find alternative funding from the TRA movement as he's fighting their corner for them.

If he doesn't believe you, tell him he needs to show you some proof. Oh, and do stop his allowance in real life totally. It's the only way to remind him how kind and tolerant you've actually been so far.

BrollyKnickers · 06/09/2020 10:30

OP - is your son dating a trans woman?

If not, would he?

If not, why?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/09/2020 10:23

acting like the sort of blustering mansplainer gammon they actively despise

And in my experience that is what happens 90% of the time on social media Grin but I think sometimes they're not self aware enough to realise this. They will then point to a woman who agrees with them. Or one will conveniently pop up and try to claim ownership of the "woman" POV over us bad women.

I do think it would be a more effective tactic in person, one to one. But I'd prepared for a proper Kevin the Teenager style flounce if he was forced into the position of "ignorant sexist man".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/09/2020 10:14

Or maybe he can but it doesnt sit right with the line he's supposed to toe...

He's going to be resistant to having to rethink his beliefs. They are woke doctrine. If his uni friends unthinkingly promote the trans rights agenda it would make him a social pariah to challenge this or stop going along with it. I see this quite often when people are desperately trying to prove you wrong, clinging to something that they're having doubts about.

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