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LBC now - topic is questioning whether transgenderism is logically the same as transitioning from white to black

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chocciechocface · 04/09/2020 11:25

Just letting you know ....

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Springfern · 04/09/2020 12:19

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans:_Gender_and_Race_in_an_Age_of_Unsettled_Identities

I'd recommend this book to anyone interested. Its academic but fascinating- a comparison between the identity claims of Caitlyn Jenner and Rachel Dolezal

Wondersense · 04/09/2020 12:17

There are far fewer differences between the races than between the sexes. You are much, much closer biologically to another woman of a different race than you are to a man of your own race.

This is why I find it interesting when activists try to split hairs over biology in order to erode the importance of sex. They argue that there are grey areas, that there aren't simple binaries, and that is enough justification in itself to allow someone to identify as another gender and that it's really no big deal.

Yet, identifying as another race is invalid.......even though the differences between us racially are much much smaller than the differences between us biologically in terms of sex.

I don't think that white people should be identifying as black and entering competitions or applying for scholarships designed for them.......but it's a shame that there's no sympathy understanding the other way around when it comes to sex isn't it? Is it because the people who are negatively affected by this whole debate are mainly women??

Someyoulose · 04/09/2020 12:05

There are no significant genetic differences between races. There are more differences within racial groups than between them. Race markers are very superficial.

BrokenBrit · 04/09/2020 12:01

He definitely gets the self id critical debate, he did a phone in on self id at the weekend too. He is doing it from 11-1 today, with the focus of comparing gender self ID to race self ID, he is defending JK Rowlings stance too.

JaJaDingDong · 04/09/2020 12:01

Well there are biological differences between races - skin colour being one of them Smile.

Some races are more likely to fall ill with different diseases than others - sickle cell being the most well known of these.

It's important to for medical people to know what sex you are, and what race you are (particularly if this isn't obvious due being just the slightest bit mixed race).

StealthPolarBear · 04/09/2020 11:57

Interesting

SheepandCow · 04/09/2020 11:56

It gets particularly confusing for me when sex and gender are used interchangeably. There are scientifically proven differences between the two sexes. Is there an actual biological difference between races? I'm not a scientist so I don't know. I'm obviously aware of the cultural and social traditions that can be related to race but is there any actual scientific difference? Or is it more a psychological identity, like gender?

ConfusedPanda · 04/09/2020 11:55

He is brave to say this. I wouldn't dare except to DH!

TheFleegleHasLanded · 04/09/2020 11:51

It will be available here later usually

www.globalplayer.com/catchup/lbc/uk/

chocciechocface · 04/09/2020 11:49

I really hope they have listen again. I really hope you don't miss this. My pulse is racing. He's defending JK Rowling's argument and pointing out her argument is logically consistent. Mind blown. (Although I did comment to DH he can only get away with this because he's a man). If he was a woman it would be the end of his career.

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ConfusedPanda · 04/09/2020 11:46

This is what I've never understood about the transgender thing. To me it is the same as trying to change your race, which isn't seen as acceptable 🤷🏻‍♀️

ChattyLion · 04/09/2020 11:44

Do they have listen again links on LBC?
These are important and revealing questions.

chocciechocface · 04/09/2020 11:29

Maajid Nawaz doing a good job, I think (from the little I've heard so far). But he'll be getting a lot of hate mail.

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