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The Dark Side of Some of Those Supporting Self ID

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SunsetBeetch · 03/09/2020 20:11

I thought of doing this thread a while ago, and the thread about GMB has just reminded me.

This is to collect examples of people companies, etc who have strongly supportedself ID and spouted off about "bigoted" "terfs" who have then shown themselves to be hypocritical/misogynistic/downright dangerous.

Please feel free to add your own examples!

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SunsetBeetch · 30/04/2021 11:40

@Helleofabore

Thanks Sunset for the links. I was being lazy.
That's ok!
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Terranean · 30/04/2021 11:02

Thanks OP it helps to remind ourselves of how fierce the women that uncover this dangerous hypocrisy are.

💐💐💐

Terranean · 30/04/2021 10:59

Oops! So slow that OP has filled so much about Jess Bradley case and also the NSPCC.

Challenor also has great threads here.

Terranean · 30/04/2021 10:52

Jess Bradley, did he set up the transhealth or something? Rose of Dawn got lots of stuff on his connection with other allies and trans at student Union level and Scotland. But he has an expensive legal team that kept all undercover.

There is also a Scottish scandal related to mencap? if I remember well, allowing sex with their ‘ under age clients’ and having penis shaped coat hangers in the office where they interacted with the young. They actively sponsored trans in the South west or Cornwall. This is way back!

The guy who posted pictures in the office toilet for a children’s charity. Sorry I’m vague and are not that good at recalling names. He sponsored a homophobic and misogynistic trans person as ambassador.

Maybe someone else remember them?

Helleofabore · 30/04/2021 10:40

Thanks Sunset for the links. I was being lazy.

Vargas · 30/04/2021 10:30

@PrawnofthePatriarchy

I've shared before about my discussion with my two DBs about the motivation of men who advocate for male access to women only spaces, Sneakyfox.

On hear we discuss the issues thoughtfully and at length. With my DBs the word "pervert" emerged within the first 30 seconds. Grin

My DH's word was even stronger than that, and also well within the first 30 seconds. Grin
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SunsetBeetch · 30/04/2021 10:18

@Helleofabore

Sidney Smeets a Dutch MP tweeted about Joanne Rowling's transphobia back in June 2020.

And this month had to resign due to sexually harassing minors.

Wow.

twitter.com/kamerlidsmeets/status/1281256296969318405?s=20

www.dutchnews.nl/news/2021/04/d66-sidney-smeets-quits-over-sex-claims-two-weeks-over-entering-parliament/

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Helleofabore · 30/04/2021 09:42

Sidney Smeets a Dutch MP tweeted about Joanne Rowling's transphobia back in June 2020.

And this month had to resign due to sexually harassing minors.

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SunsetBeetch · 30/04/2021 09:31

Noel Clarke - tried to shame women for standing up for their rights to single-sex spaces.

Also Noel Clarke - accused of many incidences of horrendous sexual harassment

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4232033-Noel-Clarke-sexual-harassment-allegations-suspended-by-BAFTA

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Outbutnotoutout · 21/03/2021 10:49

It always seems to be men who are all for self I'd

  1. it doesnt affect them, so what's the problem

  2. they want to gain access to.womens spaces

Thelnebriati · 20/03/2021 22:24

James Makings was originally defended by his employer, the NSPCC, and the people trying to raise the issues around his behaviour at his workplace were labelled as homophobic.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nspccs-top-celeb-booker-filmed-20568053

Icantreachthepretzels · 20/03/2021 14:32

Shizuku do you know what a false equivalence is? Because you're perpetrating one right here.

Time was everyone was against self ID because it was so manifestly stupid, impossible and divorced from reality - not that they were 'against' it per se because it just couldn't happen, so they gave it no thought.

Therefore, yes you can claim that Hitler, Stalin, Polpot, Ghenghis Khan, Henry the 8th and Enoch Powell are all 'against' self ID. As was Ghandi, Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela and Jesus.

Self ID is a brand new (and ridiculous) way of thinking that is forcing a change in the status quo. Looking at the backgrounds of people who are agitating for a change in the status quo - and why they might want that - is entirely different to claiming that because all humans accept a certain form of reality, and some humans are bad, therefore the reality itself is suspect.

You might as well say gravity is bigoted because Nigel Farage subscribes to the theory as recognising sex is immutable is bigoted because neo nazis know it is.

But then you know that perfectly well, don't you?

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 20/03/2021 13:59

@Shizuku

I was thinking of compiling a list of the dark side of people who oppose self ID, then I realised I could just refer you to pretty much every neo-nazi in the world for some examples.
Don't be daft.
Binglebong · 20/03/2021 11:49

Thank you for this OP. I knew a lot of it but seeing it all together makes me feel sick. It's just overwhelming.

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7Days · 20/03/2021 11:02

I cant think that any parent would disagree there.

BlackeyedSusan · 20/03/2021 10:55

It is very worrying that these people want to be in the same spaces as my children.

BlackeyedSusan · 20/03/2021 10:54

Sunset seems to be the wrong name, sunrise, bringing light would be better.

All the information in one place certainly gives a different light to it.

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 20/03/2021 08:36

Bump

Datun · 30/12/2020 13:46

Indeed. I didn't even want to raise the concept of due diligence. Because it's so far, far beyond the failure of it.

It can't possibly be accidental. There is deliberate blindness because you want to achieve a certain end. And there is deliberate blindness because you simply don't want to look.

The contributions to that report were so manifestly one-sided and she doubled down so vehemently afterwards, it's quite hard to attribute mere negligence to her motives.

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SunsetBeetch · 30/12/2020 12:56

@Datun

Many people who were allowed to give 'evidence' for Maria millers report make absolutely no secret of their vested interests. However crazy or dangerous they are.

Obviously there have always been people like this. It's how close they are to power that is disturbing. And now people like Maria Miller either are, or appear to be, ignorant of it all.

Surely there was a massive failure of due diligence here? I'm so grateful for Liz Truss (and I find it absolutely mind-boggling that I have a reason to say that!).
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Datun · 30/12/2020 11:50

Many people who were allowed to give 'evidence' for Maria millers report make absolutely no secret of their vested interests. However crazy or dangerous they are.

Obviously there have always been people like this. It's how close they are to power that is disturbing. And now people like Maria Miller either are, or appear to be, ignorant of it all.

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SunsetBeetch · 30/12/2020 10:41

@rabbitwoman

Oh mi god. That YouTube clip is full of lies. Actual lies - about the law, about the equalities act - transwomen are disproportionately victims of domestic violence?!!! That is just not true.....
With hindsight, it's even more maddening and creepy. How dare JB talk about sexual assault like that, and how scared JB is?! It's sickening.
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SunsetBeetch · 30/12/2020 10:40

@KittyValentine

SunsetBeetch

Thank you so much for keeping this thread going. It’s an excellent resource. I hope it’s not deleted!

Thank you!
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KittyValentine · 29/12/2020 19:17

SunsetBeetch

Thank you so much for keeping this thread going. It’s an excellent resource. I hope it’s not deleted!

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