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The Dark Side of Some of Those Supporting Self ID

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SunsetBeetch · 03/09/2020 20:11

I thought of doing this thread a while ago, and the thread about GMB has just reminded me.

This is to collect examples of people companies, etc who have strongly supportedself ID and spouted off about "bigoted" "terfs" who have then shown themselves to be hypocritical/misogynistic/downright dangerous.

Please feel free to add your own examples!

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PandorasMailbox · 01/09/2021 13:08

I think it's this one @Helleofabore

The Dark Side of Some of Those Supporting Self ID
Helleofabore · 01/09/2021 10:50

That is interesting Eresh. That graphic would be a great resource on the Break it Down for me thread I think.

Datun · 01/09/2021 10:00

@Ereshkigalangcleg

There's already a graphic of the influential men in councils etc in favour of mixed sex toilets who later turned out to be sex offenders, and I don't think this latest guy is on there yet, because it is most definitely A Thing.
I'm not in the slightest bit surprised. Any man who rants at women for their and their children's boundaries is already violating them.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 01/09/2021 09:35

There's already a graphic of the influential men in councils etc in favour of mixed sex toilets who later turned out to be sex offenders, and I don't think this latest guy is on there yet, because it is most definitely A Thing.

Helleofabore · 01/09/2021 09:01

Sorry if this has already been posted.

twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1432964413116583939?s=21

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/former-manchester-councillor-carl-ollerhead-21449178

Former Manchester Labour councillor Carl Ollerhead, who said that males have a right to access women's and girls' spaces such as toilets and there is no evidence that this is dangerous, has been charged with indecently assaulting a girl under the age of 16.

Jaysmith71 · 31/08/2021 09:14

Peter Newell, who rewrote the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child to replace 'sex' with 'gender identity in line with the Yogyakarta Principles.

Peter Newell, child sex offender:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5399247/UNICEF-kids-rights-campaigner-jailed-rape-boy-13.html

ScreamingMeMe · 30/08/2021 22:28

Noah Berlatsky

Noah has a trans child, and some interesting ideas on autonomy for young people:

www.patreon.com/posts/49110194

archive.vn/ERt8y

Noah is now the Director of pro paedophilia organisation Prostasia, and has made some very concerning statements in the past:

By Anna Slatz for 4W

4w.pub/prostasia-normalize-pedophilia/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Most recently, writer Noah Berlatsky was taken in as a director at Prostasia. Berlatsky previously came under fire for writing an article published in New Republic under the title “Child Sex Worker’s Biggest Threat: The Police” in which he lamented the treatment of “children engaged in survival sex” by police officers. While fighting corruption within the justice system is certainly a valid issue, at no point did Berlatsky note the obvious fact that children cannot consent to sexual activity of any kind, instead spending his article suggesting that children forced into prostitution were willing participants in an oppressed, but legitimate, trade.

In 2017, Berlatsky tweeted “pedophiles are essentially a stigmatized group.”

ScreamingMeMe · 18/06/2021 11:14

@Couchbettato

Bookmarking this because my place of employment are well and truly on the inclusivity bandwagon, obviously at the expense of women.

When I was puking 10 times a day during pregnancy I was not allowed to use the men's toilets, of which there were 2 on our floor, and no ladies bathroom unless you go up or down a floor.

It seems to have an agenda.

That's dreadful!
ScreamingMeMe · 18/06/2021 11:13

The RA, who removed Jess De Wahls work form their shop following 8 complaints from TRAs, but are seemingly happy to continue to sell work from abusers and misogynists. See this thread for further details.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4272712-Jess-de-Wahls?msgid=108308910#108308910

Couchbettato · 18/06/2021 10:49

Bookmarking this because my place of employment are well and truly on the inclusivity bandwagon, obviously at the expense of women.

When I was puking 10 times a day during pregnancy I was not allowed to use the men's toilets, of which there were 2 on our floor, and no ladies bathroom unless you go up or down a floor.

It seems to have an agenda.

ScreamingMeMe · 18/06/2021 10:20

Brew Dog.

Virtue signalled donating to Mermaids:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3657894-BrewDog-getting-their-arse-handed-to-them-another-brand-to-avoid

Exposed as having a "toxic culture in which misogny and sexism were excused and harrassment and bullying thrived".

www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/time-to-grow-up-for-brewdog-the-punk-upstart-now-worth-more-than-2bn-12335118

ScreamingMeMe · 13/06/2021 11:48

Lawyer Simon Cox. Hateful, hyperbolic tweets about GC people. One of his ex girlfriends comes forward to say he was abusive.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4269446-A-contender-for-Jolyon-s-crown?watched=1&msgid=108164535#108164535

Womansisterdaughtermother · 02/05/2021 22:18

@OhHolyJesus yes that is V stark and v powerful when collated like thatAngry

OhHolyJesus · 02/05/2021 21:57

Sorry that is a totally random screenshot!

Apologies that wasn't meant to derail the discussion.

OhHolyJesus · 02/05/2021 21:56

Stark and undeniable I'd say. There are just so many.

The Dark Side of Some of Those Supporting Self ID
ArabellaScott · 02/05/2021 21:44

Oof, OhHoly. It is quite stark when laid out like that. A bit horrible to have one's suspicions confirmed, but then again, people say women should trust their intuition.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 02/05/2021 21:34

[quote OhHolyJesus]From all the work been done by @SunsetBeetch this compliments the catalogue being held here and on other threads.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a-pattern-is-emerging?fbclid=IwAR1MAWz7EkXZAuOcMSp0ct85qbHqIzmaqKiXSKAgjdlsSNOkoIYZhJZQI[/quote]
Seeing the list of names and what they've done - and their public stance that safeguarding is superfluous - it's wretched.

OhHolyJesus · 02/05/2021 21:27

From all the work been done by @SunsetBeetch this compliments the catalogue being held here and on other threads.

grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/a-pattern-is-emerging?fbclid=IwAR1MAWz7EkXZAuOcMSp0ct85qbHqIzmaqKiXSKAgjdlsSNOkoIYZhJZQI

Terranean · 01/05/2021 16:22

@WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld

Yes, you are right! got the name wrong apologies!

There are in deed some organisations that seem to have friends in high places, can do no wrong and can interpret the law to fit their dubious agendas.

justawoman76 · 30/04/2021 20:42

Ah I see. Women standing up for their sex based rights are basically just a bunch of neo nazis now.
Fantastic.
What a disgusting thing to say, but entirely par for the course judging by the well reasoned and level headed arguments given by the other side.

AdHominemNonSequitur · 30/04/2021 18:11

@Icantreachthepretzels

Shizuku do you know what a false equivalence is? Because you're perpetrating one right here.

Time was everyone was against self ID because it was so manifestly stupid, impossible and divorced from reality - not that they were 'against' it per se because it just couldn't happen, so they gave it no thought.

Therefore, yes you can claim that Hitler, Stalin, Polpot, Ghenghis Khan, Henry the 8th and Enoch Powell are all 'against' self ID. As was Ghandi, Mother Theresa, Nelson Mandela and Jesus.

Self ID is a brand new (and ridiculous) way of thinking that is forcing a change in the status quo. Looking at the backgrounds of people who are agitating for a change in the status quo - and why they might want that - is entirely different to claiming that because all humans accept a certain form of reality, and some humans are bad, therefore the reality itself is suspect.

You might as well say gravity is bigoted because Nigel Farage subscribes to the theory as recognising sex is immutable is bigoted because neo nazis know it is.

But then you know that perfectly well, don't you?

I'm copying and pasting that perfect rebuttal in case the thread gets burned (to plagiarise in future, sorry - not sorry)

You overplay that old peach of a card, Shiz, our wonderful resident trans ideology activist.

Godwins law of Nazi Analogies.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

or my personal favorite: reductio ad Hitlerum

WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld · 30/04/2021 15:35

Terranean that was mesmac in Leeds. Dodgy goings on but I still see them being held up as a respectable service Hmm
Some groups can do no wrong it appears

WarriorN · 30/04/2021 14:53

Thanks for the sterling work sunset and others

slug · 30/04/2021 12:00

There's a Dutch MP as well whose had to resign twitter.com/ripx4nutmeg/status/1388028884868796416

IvyTwines2 · 30/04/2021 11:40

Just adding this, referred to several times in the Noel Clarke thread on today's FWR, something he tweeted way back in 2016: 'Argument with this silly lot the other day. "Lesbians against Trans women sharing their spaces" Changing rooms etc'

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