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Apparently gender reassignment cures autism

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Siablue · 02/09/2020 16:14

According to GIDS children ‘had no residual autistic traits’ after transitioning. This is a document from the NHS. I honestly have no words.

Nicky Clarke is writing to Matt Hancock so hopefully will get some response. But what a load of offensive bollocks. Even if they retract this there is no way that these people should be allowed to work with children.

Throughout my whole life people have been pushing a range of fake cures for autism and all of them have gone out of fashion but not before they did a massive amount of damage.

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iguanadonna · 04/09/2020 07:22

That's nuts. I thought this was just an outlier nutty claim made by some siren presenters. But there it is in b&w.

Would someone who's on top of all the acronyms mind spelling out exactly who the document is by and the context in which it was written? Some confusion earlier in the thread and it would be good to have it all set out so can be referred to accurately.

Skyliner001 · 04/09/2020 07:10

@Datun

That's pretty different from saying 'cure' TBH

Only if you don't know what words mean.

"No" - none.

"Residual" - remaining after the greater part or quantity has gone.

It looks so you understand what words mean, just as much as they understand what ASD means. TBH.

Oh thank you so much that's a great help 🙄

I think you Misunderstand me. To use the word 'cure' suggests that it is a deliberate and active thing. Please see below the definition.

It changes the whole implication of what has been said.

relieve (a person or animal) of the symptoms of a disease or condition.

You're welcome 😊

Datun · 04/09/2020 00:07

That's pretty different from saying 'cure' TBH

Only if you don't know what words mean.

"No" - none.

"Residual" - remaining after the greater part or quantity has gone.

It looks so you understand what words mean, just as much as they understand what ASD means. TBH.

JanMeyer · 03/09/2020 22:57

That's pretty different from saying 'cure' TBH

Not really it isn't, there's no such thing as "residual ASD." If a person is autistic they'll always be autistic, it doesn't go away or "get better." Even if a person learns to function better in everyday life they will still be autistic.
By saying children "had no residual autistic traits" after transitioning, they're implying that transitioning does that. That transitioning results in autistic traits magically disappearing. So yeah, not too different from claiming it cures autism.

BoobsOnTheMoon · 03/09/2020 22:19

"residual ASD" what does that even MEAN?

BoobsOnTheMoon · 03/09/2020 22:18

FFS. As the probably autistic parent of a diagnosed autistic child, this is just bullshit.

I have a close family member who is also diagnosed with autism who has transitioned and would you believe, they're also still fucking autistic

This has made me cross Angry

Skyliner001 · 03/09/2020 22:06

@merrymouse

Skyliner

“Are often described as having no residual ASD”

The phrasing is odd (who talks about ‘ residual ASD’?), but I think it’s fair to understand this as ‘cure’.

That's pretty different from saying 'cure' TBH
OhDear2200 · 03/09/2020 16:27

FatCat just to clarify that was me being sarcastic 😊

OhDear2200 · 03/09/2020 16:26

@FatCatThinCat

This is fantastic news. So if I identify as male I'll be able to finally understand all the social cues I miss? I'll be able to tell lies, get jokes, wear suncream, eat gloopy foods, get and hold down a job? The hum of the neighbours jacuzzi won't senf me into meltdown? And I can get rid of my support workers.

I'm off to buy some trousers from the men's section.

And more importantly FatCat society doesn’t really have to help you with those things or you know do anything different to make your life better. We don’t want difference don’t you know?!?!
FatCatThinCat · 03/09/2020 15:25

This is fantastic news. So if I identify as male I'll be able to finally understand all the social cues I miss? I'll be able to tell lies, get jokes, wear suncream, eat gloopy foods, get and hold down a job? The hum of the neighbours jacuzzi won't senf me into meltdown? And I can get rid of my support workers.

I'm off to buy some trousers from the men's section.

JanMeyer · 03/09/2020 15:22

Excellent letter Suffrajester. It is so disappointing that it isn't the NAS coming down on GIRES like a ton of bricks. Why aren't they?

Maybe the same reason they ignored the whole bleach autism "cure" thing until it suited them. One person did all the work of raising awareness and investigating such things, yet the NAS wanted nothing to do with them - until the moment was right for them to swoop in and enjoy all the publicity.
The NAS doesn't give a fuck about autistic people, especially autistic adults. A fact proven by the fact they offer zero useful support to autistic adults and have very little to say about the mess of disability benefits.
Not that i trusted them before, but it became impossible to have any trust in or respect for any of the major disability charities in the UK when they were all clamouring to be part of the government's work programme. Only speaking out against it and benefit sanctions when it became clear they weren't getting a piece of the pie.

MichelleofzeResistance · 03/09/2020 15:13

Would also be interested in the statistics of the amazing disappearance of ASD that was

a) originally diagnosed according to pathway standards by a qualified professional/standard assessment, and where this professional or team reassessed after the 'cure' with reported change in data demonstrating the significant change in outcome.

b) self reported by a person self diagnosed or self identified as Autistic

Finkelbraun · 03/09/2020 15:08

And it can "cure" homosexuality, too. Hurrah! Hmm

bellinisurge · 03/09/2020 14:59

For. Fuck's. Sake.

OhDear2200 · 03/09/2020 14:25

Haven’t read the thread.

But when, WHEN are we as a society going to stop trying to ‘cure’ autism?

I find it so fucking insulting.

LonginesPrime · 03/09/2020 13:26

this is obviously working on the premise that autism is caused by male brain (grinds teeth)

Is that premise obvious?

It doesn't sound at all obvious to me and I really don't think there's enough information in this document alone to make anything clear or obvious, since the underlying source document (the draft service specification) isn't included.

I'm not defending anyone or any of these mad 'claims', btw - I just don't feel there's enough information here yet to form a judgement on what's actually being said.

merrymouse · 03/09/2020 08:33

www.gires.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/GIRES-Young-People-Response-to-Service-Spec-1.pdf

This is a link to the quoted document.

it’s a commentary on another document, so you really need to see that to attempt to make sense of their claims.

merrymouse · 03/09/2020 08:25

I suspect that they are using autism as a non specific catch all.

MillyMollyFarmer · 03/09/2020 08:25

Residual ASD? That again is offensive and I’ve never seen anyone talk about it like this. Residual? It’s not a fucking virus.

merrymouse · 03/09/2020 08:19

Skyliner

“Are often described as having no residual ASD”

The phrasing is odd (who talks about ‘ residual ASD’?), but I think it’s fair to understand this as ‘cure’.

mumwon · 03/09/2020 08:03

this is obviously working on the premise that autism is caused by male brain (grinds teeth) which ignores that testing was geared towards boys & as in other disorders such as schizophrenia & bipolar the presentation of the disorder - IN GENERAL - is different as it tends to be in ADHD (ie as in inattentive form without hyperactivity - a friend referred to it as dolly day dreamer ADD)
give me strength!

Skyliner001 · 03/09/2020 07:27

I can't find the word 'cure' where is it?

SunsetBeetch · 03/09/2020 07:20

@Sexnotgender

That’s probably one of the most offensive takes I’ve seen in this whole pile of shit.
Same here.
Smallblanket · 03/09/2020 07:10

Excellent letter Suffrajester. It is so disappointing that it isn't the NAS coming down on GIRES like a ton of bricks. Why aren't they?

KatySun · 03/09/2020 06:57

That is an excellent letter Suffrajester

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