Use pronouns or face dismissal

With regard the autistic teen, I have a similar story.

About twenty five years ago I was in a shop with a transgender friend (M2F) when a mum with a couple of kids about three years old. Kids pulled and called at their mum, pointed at my friend and said 'mummy, mummy, look a man'. They both (the kids) started laughing. The mum told them both off, apologised, telling the kids to 'stop it, you might be like that when you grow up'. Not sure if that comment didn't make it worse! Anyway, my poor friend was mortified, but actually laughed about it. Also, my friend knew that they didn't pass, and there was nothing really that could be done about that.

Just thinking we will be accused of creating a hostile working environmental possibly even a hate crime if we discuss smear tests or menopausal flushes at work.

God forbid someone mentions childbirth or breast-feeding. Being provided facilities to express milk at work could be seen as exclusionary.

That’s where we’re going if we don’t stop this madness.

So will there be a few companies asking for their money back for faulty training courses?

That would be glorious! I'd love to be a fly on the wall at Liars HQ when the claims start coming in

The private sector tend to be a bit more commercial when they realise misrepresenting the Equality Act can have financial costs.
So will there be a few companies asking for their money back for faulty training courses? Presumably they will not appreciate the additional costs to be incurred for re-updating all their paperwork and policies to comply with the actual law?

I've just seen this FOI request about this policy.

www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/details_of_consultation_of_trans_4#incoming-1480729

Stonewall and some other groups were invited to review it and suggest changes. Stonewall made extensive comments about it, but the persistent misgendering clause doesn't seem to have been in the draft.

I feel the same as @yourhairiswinterfire
I have no issue with genuine trans dysphoric people and their pronouns.
But I would find it difficult with the histrionic types. Tbh I would just completely avoid them or referring to them at all costs. I can see many people doing the same.

I know we live in an age of selecting your chosen facts and just carrying on as if the ones you don't like don't exist, but for pete's sake....

Stonewall have this in black and white. Stonewall. Go and check with Stonewall.

Drag queens fetishists and attention seekers are not covered by trans. But never let the truth get in the way of a good echo chamber shout on mn.

In your own echo chamber do you pride yourselves on not bothering to get your facts straight? You're wrong.

The second version is better written than the first version with pronouns would be.

Gender identity is not a protected characteristic, sex is. With changes to toilets and this many employers are creating a hostile work environment for women and I do think it will come back to bite them.

Problem is most of the public and charity sector have been Stonewalled. Also many don’t give a shot because it’s not their money if a claim happens.

The private sector tend to be a bit more commercial when they realise misrepresenting the Equality Act can have financial costs.

I do not believe workplaces are changing to gender rather than sex because of squeamishness about the terminology. It is deliberately orchestrated by Stonewall, Diversity Role Models et al.

The fact that we are at this point even without self ID makes me fearful for the future. The TRAs demands will be more and more.

You're a brave woman as it won't be the easiest read because of the constant referring back to numbered sections and clauses in other legislation. Incidentally that 1976 Act (Fair Employment) was of the UK Parliament, another echo of government not sitting, as you mentioned. It would have been direct rule at the time. And that body it set up was called the Fair Employment Agency. It was supposed to get employers on board for equal opportunities and publish a register of the ones who'd signed up. The practice may have been wanting, though. The present Commission seems to be very pushy, with ever more demands. Unfortunate from every point of view to have had another long spell without government.

@Abitofalark oh thank you, will take a read over it all and get comfortable discussing the legislation. The equality commission are pushing for a more up to date equality act similar to GB but things move slowly here, especially when the local government don't sit for 3 years!!

We also had the (GB only) Sex Discrimination Act 1975 which NI incorporated into its law by the Sex Discrimination (NI) Order 1976, which was subsequently updated several times, to comply with the EU Equality Directive and to add in provisions or exemptions relating to matters such as sexual orientation, civil partnerships and gender reassignment. So yes, they do apply and it's all laid out here to see www.legislation.gov.uk/nisi/1976/1042/contents

eventually everyone just got to the point if not addressing him at all for fear of offence, it was awful

This is exactly what's happened in my workplace. Someone is now under the trans umbrella and we just never mention them at all. Its safer to never mention a name or pronoun or even email them, for fear of getting it wrong and being hauled up.
Good way to get out of doing any work. Make everyone too scared to send you anything to do. Even outside work we dont mention them, fear it'll get back to them and they will throw a hissy fit.

It gets extremely clunky. But that's what happens when someone insists that you fuck about with your language to try and create a perception for their benefit that you don't actually hold, and you're trying to find a polite middle way.

1984 Orwellian nightmare?

The thought police are coming to chop off our heads.

Easier than using block/blocker/blockim/blockself.

gender.wikia.org/wiki/Tetrisgender

But it would get a bit clunky, David emailed earlier, to book the afternoon off to attend David’s regular appointment regarding David’s work related Injury. David said David would submit David’s doctors note to David’s manager by the end of the week.

Pronouns I find tough- I so rarely use them. I use the persons name- I don't need to call you they or them- I'll call you bob or Jane to your face, and similarly to colleagues. I find the pronoun wank largely unecessary.

I’m another that has been called Mum and Sir in school. It was when I started getting addressed as Nan I decided to retire.

On another pronoun thread it has been pointed out that there are loads to choose from. I intend to use none and someone else whatever. Or indeed someone.