Mr Gay England: The trans man competing 'against an idea of male beauty'

I don't see what this has to do with feminism.

I read this and my reaction was WTF.

Homosexuality is same sex attraction.

Why are some trans people so hell bent on getting into things which are so totally related to sex?

The message goes that trans people want to get on with life quietly. But at the same time. This constant push into things which are at the extreme.

This is a competition for gay men. Homosexual men. This person's sex is female. Its homophobic and insulting.

I wonder how the gay men who follow this competition will react.

cultural appropriation, innit

I think he won't win but they will use it to say how progressive they are compared to those awful TERFS.

Isn't Newsbeat a childrens news programme?

brutal violence

What is it that us raised any time women discuss abuse? Weaponising violence. They really do reflect what the do in their accusations don’t they?

It's all madness, and I don't imagine men will take too well to it - especially ones who don't even have to be nice to women because they want sex from them.

That would be an adventurous pitch.

I adding that to my lexicon of phrases to use with clients - the current favourite being - "that would be a brave choice"

Regardless of gender at birth, beauty contests belong in the last century.

I have to admit I thought I'd accidentally clicked on a Babylon Bee article when I saw this. It reads like satire and yet it's real.
I am curious how the gay community take this. Possibly making good use of the W, T and F keys.

So Chiyo is a biological female ie a woman who identifies as a trans man and who works as a drag king. According to Chiyo's Facebook profile, Chiyo is interested in men and women so is bisexual. How does any of this qualify Chiyo to compete in a gay men's competition? The BBC article is infuriating. So pleased I've cancelled my tv licence.

The story's now highlighted in the Must See section of the bbc front page even though it's not in the Most Read top ten list at the moment. It's just bizarre how the trans narrative is pushed so hard on the bbc website.

Totally agree about how brutal violence just seems to be a throwaway comment in that interview, very strange.

And that I do think that there are discussions to be had about what constitutes masculinity and breaking stereotypes about it, but that a female probably isn't the person to look for as an example for this!

I think the person in question is attracted to women?

If this is true would this mean that they qualify for gayness by being same-sex attracted and qualify for entry into a male beauty contest by having adopted a masculine identity? That would be an adventurous pitch.

Whatever it is, I think this could be positive. Let Chiyo and Chiyo's supporters bring pressure to bear on gay men to change their standards of beauty so that Chiyo can do well in the contest in opposition to what the gay men would prefer. That would be a very interesting exercise of power to watch.

This is a really weird article. I’m not sure why the journalist whilst writing a profile of a trans competitor in Mr Gay UK felt it necessary or relevant to include (dubious) information about the treatment of trans people in the USA. It’s like reading a recipe and finding the statistics for industrial farming accidents included. Just odd. BBC journalism really has seen better days, hasn’t it

To be honest reading that article made my brain hurt trying to untangle everything.

Totally agree with this.

Every time I read something about this it's always "my life, my sexuality is so much more complicated than yours! My trauma is so great compared to yours!"

by a heterosexual woman
I think the person in question is attracted to women?

being surrounded by constant masculinity and predominant whiteness is very intimidating

Lots of double-speak in this article. First there’s the ‘brutal violence’ that Gncq mentioned. Then there’s the obligatory reference to ‘whiteness’ which can mean a whole host of things. Plus, if being surrounded by masculinity is so intimidating, why enter a gay male beauty contest?

If you don't admire men in some way, why aspire to be one.
If you don't think there is something inherently good/beautiful/prizeworthy about male bodies, then why try to change your body to be one.

This branch of identity politics could also be described as "identity theft."

"I get a lot of judgment for being a trans man but a lot of the time people do not read me as a trans man," Chiyo says.

"I still experience a lot of misogyny from being read as a woman or trans misogyny and brutal violence because they think I'm a different type of 'transness'.

"Trans misogyny" is a meaningless term, it's just misogyny. If you have the "gyny" parts, you can experience misogyny, end of.

Also... brutal violence ?? Sorry but how can you just throw around the phrase "I experience brutal violence" like that with no context?
What, you were misgendered? Your idea about yourself hasn't been validated enough for your liking? Your mum still calls you her daughter sort of thing? Or are you actually frequently punched in the face?

I'd normally think "Oh no how awful" if someone said they'd been subject to "brutal violence". But trans ideologists throw turns of phrase like this and "literal violence" around so often when they actually mean something else entirely it just becomes antagonistic.

Anyway, all that aside, it really is gay men who need to sort out where transmen fit in with them, not feminists.