Mr Gay England: The trans man competing 'against an idea of male beauty'

I suppose no one really gets hurt here do they?

Chiyo could use female toilets and take part in female sports if they so desired, they've entered a gay men's competition and I imagine most gay men will clap politely and then choose another winner.

But I don't get how if you're a man you can be a "drag king"? Isn't the whole definition of drag that you're imitating the opposite sex?

Hang on. If TWAW then TMAM so how can a man be a drag king?

That aside I wish him luck. It’s always interesting to challenge convention at events like that.

LGB Alliance have pointed out the bias in this article - stating that the person will be appearing with 'other men'

there is also a sizeable proportion of them who are quite sneery about it and strongly insist that TWAW
I think the transman won't win, but it will allow those gay men to demonstrate their inclusiveness, as it still won't affect them.

Whilst there are many gay men who are horrified at what the transagenda is doing to women's rights, there is also a sizeable proportion of them who are quite sneery about it and strongly insist that TWAW. Although they're a bit quieter on the TMAM front.

I'm hoping that there is a decent overlap between the TWAW gay men and the audience of Mr Gay England. Because maybe the infiltration of their spaces by (oh, the horror!) females and their gut reaction to that will be instructive to them. It's a big 'maybe', I realise. But I can always hope.

I'm sure gay men are super-inclusive and welcoming.

By definition, gay men are not into vaginas. Most find the concept completely horrifying.

Suggesting that someone can change sex just by saying so makes an absolute mockery of biology, sexuality and should rightly be challenged.

Fair play to them for competing particularly as they haven't been on hormones etc (and identifying as trans needn't require any physical or medical changes) so is going against a whole lot of stereotypes. Will be interesting to see the outcome - I'm sure gay men are super-inclusive and welcoming.

I can't get the link to open?

Is it a women who identifies as a man competing in mr gay uk?

IIRC, Mr Gay UK is often won by a very muscular man in tiny pants. It might have been more interesting to see a broader range of body types and personalities, as I know a lot of gay men who don't fit the stereotype and feel marginalised.

Didn't JY try to enter pageants? Did that ever go anywhere?

I think the contradictions are deliberate. This, and the examples of transwomen who make few or no attempts to transition in any physical way are political imo - it's all about queer theory and queering whatever thing they're involved in at that moment.

Lewis Carroll, the Red Queen, Humpty Dumpty and the Mad Hatter did it better.

"I hope the gay community will differ."
Not IME (as above - it was at the Viaduct in the gay quarter, and went down a storm).

I may be way off the mark here, but could there be a teeny tiny possibility that this is partly a publicity stunt, and partly a p1ss take to see just how far this nonsense can go before the men (this time) call a halt to it? A challenge, if you will, to see how woke is too woke for the gay community and the BBC? The BBC have fallen for it hook, line and sinker but I hope the gay community will differ.

I've seen Karen Jones/Lawson (trans woman with a horrendous record) doing a performance of 'Sweaty Sketty Girls' as a 'drag king' in one of Leeds scene bars. I felt absolutely sick.

In order to do drag you must appear as (a perverted version) of the opposite sex. So a male becomes a drag queen and a female a drag king.

This individual claims to be male. So if they want to do drag it would be as a drag queen. By being a drag king surely they are accepting that they are in fact female?!

Trying really hard to have this make sense and it can't. Which to me sums the whole thing up.

because the BBC is generally regarded as a trustworthy source of news and opinion
Not as much as it was. Most of the coverage of rural issues that I have seen in the past few years makes me Can't tell a mule from a horse, talks about 'the horsing world' not the equine world.

It's a shame, because it used to be great, but a lot of the news and programming is starting to feel agenda driven.

Wow, it really doesn’t make sense! Either they are a man, and therefore straight, or they are gay and therefore a woman. It is really is not possible to make sense of this person as a gay man.

LOOOOOOK at MEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

I don't see what this has to do with feminism.

This quote is very relevant.

"I still experience a lot of misogyny from being read as a woman or trans misogyny and brutal violence because they think I'm a different type of 'transness'.

People experience misogyny because they are perceived to be female. Their own concept of their gender identity is irrelevant.

It falls into the category sex and gender, which is central to femimism.