Passenger sues Easyjet after crew asked her to move seat for ultra-Orthodox man refusing to sit next to women

I didn’t say women should be content with sex discrimination.

And you're wondering why your argument isn't going down well on the feminism board?

I apologise - I don’t mean to but think this is important.

I agree with @CatteStreet .
This exact thing happened to me on a flight to NY a few years ago.
Several orthodox Jewish men and boys were on the flight. They caused uproar as they refused to sit next to any women. There were women moving seats all over the plane. It's irked me ever since that I moved.
I didn't get a drink or anything else for my trouble.

Sorry about the extra ‘I’ there.

I’m not trying to minimise her experience. I’m saying they aren’t the same. And of course I can speak for myself not others.

I do recognise that I although I will experience sexism, I will never experience racism - but think it’s important to listen to those who have experienced it alongside sexism.

Lady! Wtf is wrong with my autocorrect today!

Those saying it's really not as bad as racisim, would you be trying to minimize this Daddy's experience if she was black?

I think it's really depressing that I'm meant to not be too upset about sex discrimination because it only affects the female members of my family.

You are wrong in law.

And morally, ethically and philosophically you have no right to determine how any other woman should feel about this.

It doesn’t trump another - it’s not a competition. I just wanted to point out that race discrimination goes deeper than one level because it excludes your entire family and heritage. They really aren’t the same thing, they aren’t equal. They’re different.

I don't think playing top trumps is helpful here.

That sounds dangerously close to the attitude in the 60s and 70s peddled by the Daily Mail about people who "knew their rights" ...

Out of curiosity I checked to see if the Mail had reported it. Most of their readers who have commented seem to have no difficulty understanding she was discriminated against- unlike some posters on here.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8672291/amp/British-Israeli-woman-sues-Easyjet-15-000-make-seats-twice.html

This man knew he might find himself sitting next to a woman and that his beliefs required him not to do so. It's his job, surely, to take appropriate precautions (by booking an extra seat) or to move himself if the seating arrangement wasn't acceptable to him. It's the arrogance of just assuming he can have the woman whisked away that is the issue here and the airline's pandering to that arrogance.

30Alabamawhirly1. I agree wholeheartedly. I

I’m not sure why one protected characteristic trumps another. Both sex and religion are protected.
It might have been better for the men to ask to move but it’s not really something I can get upset about. I personally think it’s better to try and negotiate a reasonable outcome.

If she had been forced to move, harassed, intimidated then I would understand her suing the airline. None of those things happened

It was the second time it had happened. The first time
A flight attendant intervened and offered Wolfson a free hot drink as an incentive to move. Concerned that the flight might be delayed on her account and feeling that she had little choice in the matter
So, easyJet crew definitely involved.

The second time
Members of the cabin crew did not intervene or try to defend her right to stay seated where she was although again she was offered a free hot drink, according to the suit
So, easyJet crew facilitated it by doing nothing to help her stop being discriminated against. And no, just because two other women bowed down and decided to ‘be nice’ , doesn’t make it ok.

Sex discrimination in this case isn’t deeply personal. It is wrong but it elicits anger and frustration, not deep, personal wounds. I’m not minimising it but refuse to see it equated with race discrimination in the same context. They are different.

"If it happened to me as a woman of course I would be furious. But not as wounded as I would be if it was a racist exclusion"

Wow - these comments are really sad to read.have a think about what you're saying. Discrimination against women isn't as bad because we're 50% of the population? It's not as damaging because 'were all in it together?

Why would numbers make a difference. Is it not as bad to be discriminated against as a Christian in the UK than if you were a sikh, because there are many more Christians here?

Wonder what sex the airline staff were? If all the flight attendants were female on that day would they have overcome their aversion to women in order to ask the female crew to in turn ask the female passengers to move? I'm sure females outnumber males in that particular area of work.

Easyjet acted in a way which breaches Israeli law yet her doing anything about it is opportunistic?

As some posters are playing top trumps discrimination here would she be a bit of an opportunist if they had objected to sit beside her because of race?

eastie77 I agree. Maybe it's moral relativism, but I feel like Jewish religious beliefs are quite marginalised.

In Tel Aviv?