Toilets for all

That must have been scary isabelle

Ive told this story before but we went as a family to a tourist attraction, the toilets were individual cubicles down a corridor, long queues

Very long queues...but the funny thing was that virtually all the men walked in and walked past all the women waiting

They obviously weren’t expecting to have to queue, they were fairly mortified when they were told they'd oxed the queue and there was a member of staff there so im thinking it had happened a lot and potentially caused issues

I know this is me taking a 'race to the bottom' viewpoint, which I don't usually do in any other circumstances. But...I would welcome a situation where it became the norm for men to have to join long queues in order to use a toilet. If men had to queue, the design of public toilets would suddenly become a matter of public concern. All those councils, businesses and transportation hubs with far more facilities for men than for women would suddenly be changed as a matter of priority. If the powers that be had to queue for fifteen minutes and then wedge themselves sideways into a cubicle so small that you have to stand to the side in order to shut the door, and the sanitary bin is almost balanced on the side of the toilet seat due to lack of space, the design would change. And it would change quickly.

When I was 8 months pregnant I actually got temporarily stuck in a restaurant toilet. The cubicle was so small that when I went into it facing inwards, my bump was over the toilet bowl, and the door swung shut behind me. I then discovered that it was too small to turn round easily, and I couldn't reach behind me to open the door again. It was quite scary actually. Took me about 20 minutes to get out again.

And full of people saying were they being unreasonable to NOT let the workman in their bog

Plus last time i checked my toilet isn’t open to random UNINVITED members of the public

Individual cubicles with wash basins in cafes are fine as space is at a premium and is in no way the same as the toilets the OP and i just described

And I guess, further to that, how does a transwoman who is using the ladies as they feel unsafe sharing a toileting space with men distinguish another transwoman from a man?

Sufficient toilets segregated by sex, combined with a number of mixed sex toilets for those who cannot use the single sex toilets for whatever reason, is surely the way forward? (Purely mixed sex toilets are not the answer as they require a lot more space to construct, and many prefer to use a single sex space)

Home toilets being multi sex is the stupidest argument ever

Especially since there are multiple threads on MN where women complain about how grimy they are and how they are expected to clean them.

I'd be so tempted to take a load of women friends in there when men are in there and loudly ask for a tampon and then have a discussion about sanitary pads. I'd love to see what the men think of unisex loos then

Think we should all do that - and do one better. Leave used sanitary all over the place in retaliation for all the stinking urine all over the floor. Men would be begging for single sex loos then!

Very happy to share a toilet with women and trans women. Not happy to share a toilet with cismen

How do you distinguish a transwoman from a man?

We just want to get along with our live like any other woman. We aren't a threat or an enemy to you.

Again, how should a woman distinguish between a transwoman who you say is not a threat, and a man who may well be?

Home toilets being multi sex is the stupidest argument ever

I was in Brighton last week with my family

We went to a great bar on the front and when I popped to the loo there were 3 cubicles (Doors werent great but I can’t remember why i thought that) and It was only when i came out to wash my hands and a bloke was there that i realised it was multi sex

Im not keen At all but ive personally only seen it in clubs and bars...but as someone said upthread as long as you know and can vote with your feet its better that designated Ladies loos becoming multi sex while the gents remains men only

This loo thing is so precious.

No one segregates loos at home (and most have builders, cleaners, window cleaners etc using them quite happily).

It is rare staff toilets in a small business are segregated, either, and most staff toilets in schools have been unisex forever.

And very few object to toilet cleaners of either sex.

Why would I care if anyone chatted about tampons?!

And, in public places, businesses, Loos should be cleaned and sanitised regularly, so blame the business if they are foul.

I get a lot of the women’s rights stuff about the TRA lobby but loos...major storm in a tea cup.

I'd be so tempted to take a load of women friends in there when men are in there and loudly ask for a tampon and then have a discussion about sanitary pads. I'd love to see what the men think of unisex loos then.

Ugh i would hate that. Most men do too. 2 sexes have 2 different biologucal set ups and requirements and we all deserve privacy fir that.

Men lose the ease and speed of the urinals and have to join the queue.

And women lose valuable cubicals and have to wait twice as long as before.

Penises whoever they are attached to no matter how they identify do not belong in toilets alongside those who don't have them.

I'm pretty sure it was a trans women who derailed the thread, wasn't it?

Taking care not to say anything screen-shootable or which might mark me for deletion (HINT)...

I would not be comfortable with that set-up. This is not toilets for all. It is able-bodied toilets that might suit men, but which will not suit women.

I'd write to them and complain and then vote with your feet.

I don't want to share public toilets with any adult males no matter how they identify, no explanation needed. I wouldn't give them my custom.

I note that as usual "all" excludes the less able.

Sadly true, SerendipityJane.

Trans women are women. We just look a bit different from other women, OK?

Renata, I could keep insisting I am a Vogue front-cover model, but I doubt if I would convince anyone, no matter how often I repeated it.

From my own experience, I do not feel safe in an enclosed indoor space with a male-bodied person. That is not a phobia but a rational fear backed by evidence. Transwomen commit sexual offences at the same rate as non-trans men.

Sky you might have noticed it wasn't a GC poster who made this about TW.

Trans women are women. We just look a bit different from other women, OK?

This is an ideological position, which obviously you'll appreciate not everyone will join you in. I for example don't expect to inform people that there is only one true God and have everyone affirm that they convert to my personal faith. TW are male, many women will always perceive them as male, and the facts are that mixed sex provisions are not to the benefit of people born female. Removing single sex provisions for people born female to better suit the needs of those born male is also not in the interests or even wanted by people born female, which makes the whole thing fundamentally sexist.

The whole 'gross' comment baffles me, it's not a phrase I'm familiar with. But it has to do with the mixed sex aspect and the injustice and immorality of exclusion of females who cannot join this ideological view, not with anyone's appearance.

Indeed there is one currently about a woman who was asked to move on an aeroplane which has been derailed.

It was not derailed at all. There were one or two comments and they raised an interesting question. A hypothetical one in that particular instance, but one that will presumably rear it's head at some stage.

Skyliner001
Very happy to share a toilet with women and trans women. Not happy to share a toilet with cismen.
Are you bigoted against cismen? Why?

I'm pretty sure that men can tolerate the odd bit of prejudice against their toilet habits. You must be a man if you are concerned about that. Check your privilege.

Please leave a review online mentioning this so other women can read and avoid if they desire.

I note that as usual "all" excludes the less able.