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Article in the Radio Times online

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BeanieSue · 28/08/2020 14:01

I've been a lurker for a long time - this is my second post ever. But I've just been so shocked by an article in the Radio Times with the title:

In light of the JK Rowling controversy, is it still OK to enjoy Strike: Lethal White?

www.radiotimes.com/news/tv/2020-08-28/strike-jk-rowling-trans-controversy/

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RozWatching · 28/08/2020 15:56

"thanks to Rowling, I’m now quizzed about the ‘trans debate’ by people in the real world, where previously I could reassure myself by believing that these pseudo-intellectual attacks on trans people existed only on Twitter, or only in columns by attention-seeking journalists. It feels disheartening to say the least that Rowling’s ill-informed diatribe will now be many people’s gateway into conversations about LGBT rights"

Except it's not "thanks to Rowling". Thank the trans activists who have been working behind the scenes to erase women and silence anyone who refuses to go along with the dangerous nonsense of gender ideology.
Women are being hounded for using the word women to refer to, err, women, and this person doesn't want us to talk about it?

gardenbird48 · 28/08/2020 15:56

they may have taken it down - I can't see it on the links - good archiving thanks Fleegle

Datun · 28/08/2020 15:54

J. K. Rowling needs discrediting, and they don't care how it's done.

Saying she's responsible for the deaths of trans people is another favourite.

Unfortunately, as soon as people are given the actual article, the realisation that she has been the victim of a truly shocking, misogynistic witchhunt is swift and profound.

And, as ever, 100% counter-productive to the intent.

SoManyActivities · 28/08/2020 15:49

@SophocIestheFox

When we talk about separating the art from the artist, we commonly do so when talking about, say, Roman Polanski, R. Kelly, Eric Gill, Rolf Harris or Michel Jackson. The question: “can I still read/listen to/ engage with this piece of art, cinema or music knowing what I know about the creator ” is only commonly invoked when it’s clear that the artist committed sexually criminal acts.

The concept that we should use this same lens on JKR, because a woman having an opinion about women’s rights on Twitter is exactly the same as being a rapist or an abuser is just monumentally absurd.

Give your head a wobble, Molly.

This is so true. The idea that we should put JKR in the same bracket as Michael Jackson (I think someone else actually did this in an article a while back didn't they?) or Roman Polanski or similar is both ridiculous and totally misogynistic.
thinkingaboutLangCleg · 28/08/2020 15:45

#ElfRightsAreHumanRights.#AllGoblinsMatter

I'm getting my T-shirts printed right now, Winterfire!

stumbledin · 28/08/2020 15:39

I think this is just trying to get ahead of the curve. ie they are obviously counting on Strike being an important part of the autumn programming. Prime time sunday slot pushing the last episode of a suitable boy onto a monday evening.

There was also a cringing article with the lead actor and actress in which both waffled on about what a nice person she was but wouldn't say anything about the trans issue.

I dont have much sympathy for the BBC but they must be aware that this will be used by trans activists to have a go at them.

Suspect thought that 90% of the audience who will watch on sunday have no interest in the debate at all.

What will be interesting is the tabloids who use tv programmes as a source of "news" will give it much coverage or decide they dont want to take the flak any way.

I will be watching to show my support for JKR!

SophocIestheFox · 28/08/2020 15:31

When we talk about separating the art from the artist, we commonly do so when talking about, say, Roman Polanski, R. Kelly, Eric Gill, Rolf Harris or Michel Jackson. The question: “can I still read/listen to/ engage with this piece of art, cinema or music knowing what I know about the creator ” is only commonly invoked when it’s clear that the artist committed sexually criminal acts.

The concept that we should use this same lens on JKR, because a woman having an opinion about women’s rights on Twitter is exactly the same as being a rapist or an abuser is just monumentally absurd.

Give your head a wobble, Molly.

ArabellaScott · 28/08/2020 15:22

www.immediate.co.uk/editorial-complaints-policy/

yourhairiswinterfire · 28/08/2020 15:17

Molly has got a point though. What has JKR ever done to end the slavery of house-elves? Or protect goblins from being literally killed by rude comments about their height? These are crucial issues in the 21st century.

#ElfRightsAreHumanRights. #AllGoblinsMatter.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 28/08/2020 15:11

Molly has got a point though. What has JKR ever done to end the slavery of house-elves? Or protect goblins from being literally killed by rude comments about their height? These are crucial issues in the 21st century.

Confused
highame · 28/08/2020 15:08

This is odd, I get the paper version. The only bit about JKR and the trans debate is the Holliday Grainger piece underneath.

This is not by one of their usual writers. I would think heads will be rolling a bit and it will probably get pulled so if someone can save?

This might be a better complaint route [email protected]

I think that's one of the nastiest articles I've read

Datun · 28/08/2020 15:08

@Doyoumind

Datun the Radio Times got sold off a number of years ago and is no longer anything to do with the BBC. Still a stupid article though considering their readership.
Oh, I didn't know that. I've never bought it, to be honest.

In that case, not quite as self sabotaging as I thought.

It doesn't make the article any more sane though.

Doyoumind · 28/08/2020 15:03

Datun the Radio Times got sold off a number of years ago and is no longer anything to do with the BBC. Still a stupid article though considering their readership.

Butterer · 28/08/2020 15:01

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yourhairiswinterfire · 28/08/2020 15:00

@Greencoatblue

Has this TRA actually read what JK wrote? I think not, like most of the other loud mouths! Yep let’s all pander to a tiny minority. Hadn’t got around to buying the Strike books, will procrastinate no longer, Amazon here I come.
They read, but they've proven they don't comprehend.

I saw a tweet today saying that people who are defending JKR are defending her "homophobia" using her "If sex isn't real, there's no same sex attraction" tweet as evidence. 🤦‍♀️ This apparently means JKR is denying people are same sex attracted, completely missing the point that she was actually speaking up about same sex relationships being invalidated by ideology.

There's no point even trying to engage with them, because they just see what they want to see. Their lack of comprehension is quite frightening.

Kit19 · 28/08/2020 14:58

Here is Molly

vaultfestival.com/whats-on/this-poo-shall-pass/

Wondering whether toilets are a safe space for molly

Datun · 28/08/2020 14:57

Are the Radio Times actually telling their viewers that it may not be okay to watch one of their own programmes???

Dear god. This level of insanity truly defies belief.

SoManyActivities · 28/08/2020 14:53

Pathetic. Absolutely pathetic.

Good to see that the comments under the article on twitter are 100% - WTF?!

I'm another who thinks that Radio Times are on very shaky ground with that 'anti-semitic' accusation, surely they know better than to publish something like that?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 28/08/2020 14:53

Thanks to pp for the feedback email address.

BeanieSue · 28/08/2020 14:50

On the twitter page this email is listed: [email protected]

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highame · 28/08/2020 14:48

[email protected]
include name address and a telephone no.

I wonder if a BBC employee offered to write this for them.

Justnormajean · 28/08/2020 14:47

@Greencoatblue

Has this TRA actually read what JK wrote? I think not, like most of the other loud mouths! Yep let’s all pander to a tiny minority. Hadn’t got around to buying the Strike books, will procrastinate no longer, Amazon here I come.
Me too, just bought my first one this morning.
MichelleofzeResistance · 28/08/2020 14:45

emblematic of a lack of interest on Rowling’s part in dismantling systems of oppression.

What a load of bollocks. Written by someone thoroughly invested in re-mantling systems of oppression around females as fast as possible, and who absolutely does not want to hear any discussion about how female people feel about that.

The utter lack of self awareness, cognitive dissonance and entitlement in earnest articles like this one continues to boggle me.

HoneysuckIejasmine · 28/08/2020 14:43

@Ereshkigalangcleg

And yes, how do you complain to the Radio Times?
There's a "complaints" option at bottom of page along with Contact Us etc
PronounssheRa · 28/08/2020 14:42

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