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JK Rowling's has written another post

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MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 28/08/2020 00:37

calling once more for a more nuanced debate around gender identity and women's rights. It's here https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/statement-from-j-k-rowling-regarding-the-robert-f-kennedy-human-rights-ripple-of-hope-award/.

Thanks JKR

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Datun · 28/08/2020 23:17

Allison Bailey:

1/ This is shocking & disgraceful.
@Mermaids_Gender
accusing
@jk_rowling
of causing child suicide attempts. This is a red alarm, child safeguarding emergency. Mental ill-health leads to children experiencing suicidal ideation.

2/ adult concerns about trans activism cannot conceivably be a risk to children‘s mental health, such as to cause suicidal feelings, unless they are being manipulated by the adults around them, planting & then reinforcing that message.

3/
@Mermaids_Gender
in an attempt to defend itself, appears to be using children‘s vulnerability for it’s own political purposes, with scant regard for either their welfare or the welfare of an adult woman who has done nothing to deserve such a truly wicked & manipulative charge

4/
@trussliz
if an adult parent used & maniuplated a child in this way, social services would be called immediately. No organisation tasked with caring for children should be allowed to deploy suicide in such a nakedly offensive way. This is an emergency. This cannot be ignored.

SoManyActivities · 28/08/2020 23:16

This is from The Samaritans 'Guidance in reporting on youth suicide and suicide clusters':

Avoid speculation around the causes of a young
person’s suicide. For example, when a suicide is
reported and bullying is cited as the cause, this
could affect other young people experiencing
bullying who may be feeling hopeless about their
own situation. Making direct links about causes
oversimplifies suicide. Publishing lots of photographs,
outpourings of grief or messages about holding
people to account for a death, for example directed
at bullies, can increase the likelihood of other young
people identifying with the person who has died
and could lead to suicide contagion.

What are Mermaids thinking publishing this statement?!

Datun · 28/08/2020 23:10

@BewaretheIckabog

I’m sure that what is hurting gender questioning children is being told people like JK hate them and deny their existence. This is what the TRAs are telling them and not what is being said.
Indeed.

I wonder if jK Rowling can legally demand to know exactly what mermaids is referring to.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 28/08/2020 23:09

Holy hell turns out I was over estimating Mermaids’ integrity ShockHmm

BewaretheIckabog · 28/08/2020 23:00

I’m sure that what is hurting gender questioning children is being told people like JK hate them and deny their existence. This is what the TRAs are telling them and not what is being said.

TheFleegleHasLanded · 28/08/2020 22:59

That would be Helen Belcher who accused Janice Turner dolorsit.

IPSO found in Janice’s favour but Belcher didn’t apologise. Belcher is of course someone who seems to have a rather powerful influence over Ed Davey and the Lib Dems. Very odd.

BlackWaveComing · 28/08/2020 22:58

Mermaids needs to be shut down.

Anyone who has spent even 10 minutes googling 'responsible reporting of suicide and self harm' would know you NEVER blame single factors. They are utterly irresponsible in this as in so much.

Of course, I'm pretty sure they're lying.

dolorsit · 28/08/2020 22:56

Wasn't somebody else accused of being responsible for suicides and whoever made the accusation had to retract?

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/08/2020 22:52

I'm not sure how much longer this will be going on either. That attack on JK Rowling by Mermaids is so egregious that is seems they have gone all in, nothing to lose. I'm feeling optimistic tonight, and there's a lot of things going to come together soon, I think Mermaids can see that they are not going to be around much longer.

highame · 28/08/2020 22:49

I do not imagine JKR is having to look at that stuff. She has people and they're doing the looking.

She has a huge fan base and knows there is a lot of support, not just any old support, but world wide support and her charity work. Also friends in high places

ErrolTheDragon · 28/08/2020 22:43

@Stressing

I'm worried about JK. She is getting a hammering from so many angles, there's only so much she'll be able to take before she gets worn down. At some point she might just withdraw.
But she's getting a lot of support too - the communications she's mentioned (particularly detransitioners) not to mention the vast majority of comments on newspaper articles it seems.
Stressing · 28/08/2020 22:30

I'm worried about JK. She is getting a hammering from so many angles, there's only so much she'll be able to take before she gets worn down. At some point she might just withdraw.

Justhadathought · 28/08/2020 22:26

These children need honesty, not false expectations. That's what's causing the damage. They're going to grow up unable to cope with the harsh realities of the real world if this continues. Emotionally stunted sad

The Coddling of the American Mind: How good intentions & bad ideas are setting up a generation for failure. Worth reading.

backaftera2yearbreak · 28/08/2020 22:16

😲

I’m not sure how else to respond to that statement. Can you imagine if someone accused Mermaids of making them suicidal. I’m sure the statement would read people with suicidal ideation feel this way for a multitude of reasons. I’m actually quite shocked by that statement!

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 28/08/2020 22:09

That horrific Mermaids response archived:

archive.li/ksqlk

I cannot believe that they say Rowling is directly responsible for children self harming and for attempting suicide.

HPFA · 28/08/2020 21:59

By a strange coincidence the Mermaids thing popped up on my timeline as the same time a Twitter user was declaring that Laura Pidcock (a Labour NEC candidate) wanted to take away trans people's lives. When I asked whether LP was in fact a supporter of execution for trans people I got the whole suicide thing and soon was being told I was a murderer myself.

I can't think of any political debate where opponents have weaponized suicide in this way so that any disagreement was equivalent to murder.

Kit19 · 28/08/2020 21:16

It’s panic coms

If you’re resorting to ‘CHILDREN WILL KILL THEMSELVES AND ITS ALL YOUR FAULT’ then just maybe you need to think about your whole raisin d’etre

SophocIestheFox · 28/08/2020 21:08

Bloody hell, that’s a new low for mermaids.

Look what you made me do, indeed.

SoManyActivities · 28/08/2020 20:54

Also, in what other arena would

we have told these children this massive lie and if the whole world doesn't collude in that lie, even at the expense of their own rights, these kids are gonna kill themselves

Be in any way acceptable?

Lamahaha · 28/08/2020 20:47

apologies if the Mail link has already been posted:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8674219/JK-Rowling-returns-award-trans-comments-criticism.html

MichelleofzeResistance · 28/08/2020 20:44

To end the message with a call to listen to trans people

But not Kiera Bell. Or Debbie Hayton. Or Miranda Yardley. Or any of the other trans people who have spoken up about the many problems with this ideology. They show no respect or listening to those trans people at all, particularly those detransitioning.

Which demonstrates clearly, it's the ideology being served rather than the full demographic.

Kit19 · 28/08/2020 20:39

I know we’ve talked in the past that mermaids are the new Kids Company & they really are

Kids company weaponised suicide in an attempt to deflect attention & avoid engaging with factual arguments

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34535954

It didn’t work for them and it won’t work fir mermaids. It’s so utterly and appallingly low of them to behave like this

‘We didn’t want to say but look what you have us do!!!!!!!’

ArabellaScott · 28/08/2020 20:38

Charity Commission?

yourhairiswinterfire · 28/08/2020 20:36

Is there anyone at all we could complain to, to ask to condemn Mermaids for their blatant disregard of safeguarding?

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