JK Rowling's has written another post

There's a thread on the Douglas Murray piece which should have shared links

^^ Times article, not Time.

This Time article by Douglas Murray was recommended among the Times comments. It's indeed excellent. I don't know if it's been posted before, if so, I missed it (perhaps on the Sasha White thread?) But for others who missed it, here it is:
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trans-warriors-need-to-put-down-their-weapons-vxsrczx8j

(I hope this is a share token. I did click the share envelope.)

That tweet from Mimmymum sums up the mindset of Mermaids, i.e. they are the undeniable experts on transgender kids by virtue of being either parents or trans themselves.

I’m the parent of a child with multiple serious medical issues. I certainly don’t claim to be an expert in them though

That tweet from Mimmymum sums up the mindset of Mermaids, i.e. they are the undeniable experts on transgender kids by virtue of being either parents or trans themselves.

And yet here I am the mother of a gender distressed daughter who hasn’t been fussed at all by JKR’s stance. However, Mimmymum blocked me some time ago on Twitter so I guess my child’s lack of reaction doesn’t count. I’m sure some gender distressed youths have been upset by the misrepresentation of JKR’s words, but to validate it by saying, Oh yes, she’s definitely a transphobe is emotional manipulation and no responsible adult should be doing it.

Oops, in the above the person was claiming Laura Pidcock wanted trans people to "lose their lives"!! Oh for an edit button.

[quote Lisz]I thought better of Mumsnet than ‘how dense would one have to be to believe that shite?’. Especially as the tweet I posted was from someone who actually works for the foundation in question. Sounds a bit unnecessarily aggressive to me tbh.

That particular ‘shite’ is gaining traction too, it’s pretty grim to be stripped of an award. Sort of thing that usually happens to criminals and.. much worse.

twitter.com/catespice/status/1299607854064623616?s=21[/quote]
Last night I saw a tweet saying that Laura Pidcock (ex Labour MP and a candidate for the NEC) wanted trans people to "lose their rights". So I asked them when Laura Pidcock had called for the execution of trans people because I was surprised that such a statement had not been on the news.

Five minutes later my tweet questioning this was retweeted with something like "Here's a transphobe who thinks trans people shouldn't be allowed to live".

So no, having an award taken away would not make me think JKR Rowling worse than a criminal. This whole debate has gone far beyond anything that can be called rationality. Here's someone who thinks World Rugby's decision to possibly bar transwomen from playing women's rugby is "extermination " and equivalent to what the Nazis were doing.

twitter.com/KirstiMiller30/status/1299446001602711552

I've had plenty of vigorous exchanges with people on Brexit, with Corbynistas and it can get very lairy. But I've never been accused of being a murderer before.

Implying that someone will take an award off someone else as a basis of coercion, is not stripping them of the award to uphold your principles.

It's the opposite of upholding your principles. It's coercive control.

Telling them to shove their award up their arse because you refuse to compromise your integrity, is upholding your principles.

There is only one party here who acted out of conscience.

And continues to act in the same vein.

That particular ‘shite’ is gaining traction too, it’s pretty grim to be stripped of an award. Sort of thing that usually happens to criminals and.. much worse.

Going from pretending something is 'interesting', to implying it might be criminal sounds rather desperate to me.

But then, I'm in the 'that is a load of old shite' camp.

I'm delurking - I've been hovering on this board since JKRs article back in June.

If it actually was true,

It's entirely possible that it's true. Reading JKR's latest post on her site, it does make more sense if there had been some quiet rhetoric of the "If you want to keep our award, then change your tune" sort from Kennedy. No doubt "more in sorrow than anger"!

Rowling's reply can then be more clearly seen as a "Take your award and shove it!" response.

This can in no way be seen as jumping before she was pushed. And does not in any way diminish her integrity.

[quote Lisz]I thought better of Mumsnet than ‘how dense would one have to be to believe that shite?’. Especially as the tweet I posted was from someone who actually works for the foundation in question. Sounds a bit unnecessarily aggressive to me tbh.

That particular ‘shite’ is gaining traction too, it’s pretty grim to be stripped of an award. Sort of thing that usually happens to criminals and.. much worse.

twitter.com/catespice/status/1299607854064623616?s=21[/quote]
Surely it went like this -

Dec 2019 - RFK Award given to JKR
June 2020 - JKR tweets cause massive backlash
June-Aug 2020 - trans activists etc lobby RFK to denounce JKR. Kerry Kennedy ‘speaks with’ JKR. Implied threat that if she doesn’t recant they’ll take the award back. JKR says no, won’t recant. KK publishes ‘disappointed’ public letter and JKR says publicly here, have it back, I don’t want it if this is your opinion of me.

I don’t think it’s damning of JKR in any way. If the RFK people had wanted to use the courage of their convictions to ‘strip her’ of the award they’d have done it swiftly and publicly back in June. They were pressured by their own internal lobbyists and they made a hash of it, and now they’re looking for a better explanation to make her look petty.

it’s pretty grim to be stripped of an award. Sort of thing that usually happens to criminals and.. much worse.

If it actually was true, then I'd agree it's exceedingly grim for a woman to be treated on a par with criminals for defending women's rights, our very ability to name ourselves.

I'll ask again, if it's true why not put out a public statement? Why use Twitter, the home of uncorroborated gossip and leakages?

[quote Lisz]I thought better of Mumsnet than ‘how dense would one have to be to believe that shite?’. Especially as the tweet I posted was from someone who actually works for the foundation in question. Sounds a bit unnecessarily aggressive to me tbh.

That particular ‘shite’ is gaining traction too, it’s pretty grim to be stripped of an award. Sort of thing that usually happens to criminals and.. much worse.

twitter.com/catespice/status/1299607854064623616?s=21[/quote]
Sorry it doesn't matter 2hoots where the tweeter works

I thought better of Mumsnet than ‘how dense would one have to be to believe that shite?’. Especially as the tweet I posted was from someone who actually works for the foundation in question. Sounds a bit unnecessarily aggressive to me tbh.

That particular ‘shite’ is gaining traction too, it’s pretty grim to be stripped of an award. Sort of thing that usually happens to criminals and.. much worse.

twitter.com/catespice/status/1299607854064623616?s=21

I would also expect to see some kind of pathway that should be followed when a Mermaids volunteer/employee has concerns. The only detail in their policies is speak to SG (the Safeguarding Lead)

SG's expertise lies in IT. Which is why Mermaids inadvertently publishing details about their clienteles, and their work with EHCR to find a 'test case' is particularly disturbing. Goodness knows about their expertise in other areas of safeguarding.

Could have sent the award back quietly of course.

She is engaged in a campaign to raise awareness and draw as much publicity and attention to the issues as possible, why on earth would she send the award back to them quietly?

JCJ brilliant as ever:

"You are an abusive, coercive, manipulative, emotionally blackmailing morally bankrupt bunch of fraudsters.

The sooner young trans people actually get an organisation that stops using them as a political battering ram and stops imposing ideology on their care the better."

Say what you really think, Jane...

Jane Clare Jones nailed it as ever. I really hope Samaritans takes this seriously and comments on it. Mermaids have been blatantly ignoring those guidelines for years, and they exist for a very important reason. If they truly cared, they’d stick to the expert guidance when discussing such a sensitive issue. But they never ever do.

@Lisz

“Interesting” would be if anyone can produce anything to this effect from before JKR’s latest statement. “Leaked” info circulated by randoms after the fact is not interesting, it’s cowardly, pathetic and embarrassing.

Of course they’d have mentioned this before if it were true, FFS. A “gotcha” like this would have been the icing on the cake of that self-serving statement by Kerry Kennedy, only of course she didn’t mention it because it’s utter bollocks.

That is a fantastic twitter thread.

This is brilliant:

twitter.com/janeclarejones/status/1299658215563710465