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JK Rowling's has written another post

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MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 28/08/2020 00:37

calling once more for a more nuanced debate around gender identity and women's rights. It's here https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/statement-from-j-k-rowling-regarding-the-robert-f-kennedy-human-rights-ripple-of-hope-award/.

Thanks JKR

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mum2jakie · 28/08/2020 18:59

She talks about the many messages of support she has received from women on this issue. What an icon.

MichelleofzeResistance · 28/08/2020 18:54

It does, Datun

It's also clearly proving to large swathes of the general public that the BBC are heavily biased, are trying to push a heavily spun narrative in a way that many may interpret as dishonest, and people are seeing through it.

It's surprising they're not aware of the harm they're doing to their own interests there.

yourhairiswinterfire · 28/08/2020 18:53

The more she speaks, the more she puts the activists behaviour to shame. She's been so classy and calm throughout all this. She hasn't hidden away or backed down.

We need more people with strong principles and integrity like her. If only those professionals that contacted her with their concerns spoke up publicly, I think this whole ideology ship would sink pretty damn fast. (Though I do understand why they're scared to speak up).

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 28/08/2020 18:47

Quite disappointed in that times article actually. Too much of a focus on anti trans instead of pro women.

ChattyLion · 28/08/2020 18:43

She’s so articulate and full of integrity. What an amazing woman. Courage calls to courage!

Datun · 28/08/2020 18:41

I just goes to show what a woman with power can do.

persistentwoman · 28/08/2020 18:37

Just read the comments under the Times article and found them very moving to see so many standing with JKR. And most of them get that this is about women's rights not trans rights. It's such massive progress.

colouringindoors · 28/08/2020 18:33

Jo, if you see this, THANK YOU ❤

ThinEndoftheWedge · 28/08/2020 18:33

Anyone else notice the change in language on the Radio 2 news bulletins at 10, 11, 12 where they said something like JKR had been criticized for "speaking out in support of women's rights"? By the 1pm bulletin, it was it was that JKR was "speaking about trans and gender issues". Nobbled from above or by lobbying?

6.30 R4 News summary stated trans and gender identity - kept repeating that it was to do with JKr’s ‘controversial’ views on trans issues. No
mention that these views are not controversial to 99% of the population and based on reality.

The word woman came up once when it referenced JKR’s tweet that only women menstruate. Hopefully that bit will prick listeners ears.

I do not trust the BBC at all.

StandWithYou · 28/08/2020 18:28

The comments on The a Times article are fantastic - so many people saying ‘I agree with JKR’.

Also noticed a change in tone on Radio 2 news on this - said JKR was commenting on women’s rights vs making transphobic remarks.

ArabellaScott · 28/08/2020 18:23

Not rtft, but this is front page on the BBC and I think it's pretty sympathetic. By sympathetic I mean, it states the facts. Heartening.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53944773

Antibles · 28/08/2020 17:58

I’ve been forced to the unhappy conclusion that an ethical and medical scandal is brewing. I believe the time is coming when those organisations and individuals who have uncritically embraced fashionable dogma, and demonised those urging caution, will have to answer for the harm they’ve enabled.

Star

I don't think there actually is a clash of rights tbh, this is purely the one-sided erosion of women's rights at the hands of a false narrative about the entire concept of trans, but other than that her statement is fantastic.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 28/08/2020 17:43

Now I've discovered sex isn't binary, and also that a womb and cervix are not exclusive to females because men can have them too, I've announced to DP that he'll be the one getting pregnant next time, via my feminine sperm.

Grin
KooKooKachu · 28/08/2020 17:41

disproportionately suffers from violence, discrimination, harassment, and exclusion

Also it depends what they class as "violence", "discrimination", "harassment" and "exclusion". TRAs are keen to twist words til they lose all meaning and change definitions, and use these terms liberally to silence people. So KK could in fact be right on this point, but only because "literal violence" whenever anyone questions them.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 28/08/2020 17:36

I see Kerry Kennedy is pushing the old discredited myth about high suicide rates.

the entire transgender community ... disproportionately suffers from violence, discrimination, harassment, and exclusion and, as a result, experiences high rates of suicide, suicide attempts, homelessness, and mental and bodily harm.

I realise that people in the USA may feel closer to the high levels of violence in South America but women are more often targeted than trans people. And where is the evidence for any of the rest, beyond the harms that stem from the sex trade which again has more female victims?

Do these people ever, ever bother to check a fact or do any research?

Chrestomanci3 · 28/08/2020 17:11

The Times now has an article on it - no comments so far (but it was only in the 5 pm update).

Hazeldine · 28/08/2020 16:47

mejon I haven’t heard any of the bulletins but that’s a much needed change in tone if so. I thought the BBC News article on it was uncharacteristically balanced too.

KooKooKachu · 28/08/2020 16:42

The big pharma companies and George Soros, Jon Stryker et. al. have a lot to answer for. Profiteering by manipulating the masses. The funds that they bunged to various LGBT organisations were bribes. The whole shit show needs exposing.

mejon · 28/08/2020 16:31

Anyone else notice the change in language on the Radio 2 news bulletins at 10, 11, 12 where they said something like JKR had been criticized for "speaking out in support of women's rights"? By the 1pm bulletin, it was it was that JKR was "speaking about trans and gender issues". Nobbled from above or by lobbying?

MsSweeney · 28/08/2020 16:26

JKR, thank you.

OhDear2200 · 28/08/2020 16:09

JKR - keep going, you’ve got so many people supporting you! Ignore the abuse; for all the abuse remember there is love for you also!

turbonerd · 28/08/2020 16:02

SophocIestheFox
Thank you.
Hehe, if I had any doubt I most likely am autistic then that was removed now! 😅
So the core of all this Word-salading is a refusal to accept basic biological facts.
Have never considered that I should identify as a woman, no. Gender stereotyping is rife when it comes to this, and that is one thing that still puzzles me in this discourse: what makes one identify as one gender or another (assuming that non-binary implies more than two) if it has nothing to do with sex or sexual characteristics. One transman used the example of mowing the lawn made him feel manly. Not that it was an inherently masculine thing to do, mind. But I do all sorts of «masculine» things. They are just chores or activities. The only thing I can do that my husband cannot is to become pregnant and give birth.
Also when people identify as queer. I have no idea what that means, is it just being human?

singersarp · 28/08/2020 15:42

JKR is a rockstar of a woman. Thank you!

SophocIestheFox · 28/08/2020 15:41

@turbonerd

Just a question on the side here: what on earth does CIS mean? Also Wonder when it was introduced as the thing you had to say? I have not followed this debate for very long, wish I had! Had the shock of my life when an autism-friendly group booted me out and called me a terf because I questioned this blind adherence to dogma and wanted to know what the trans fuss was all about if there is no such thing as sex. I worded it better, but there would be no need to be transexual if we were not made with sex chromosomes. That was a Bad Thing to ask, apparently
I’m sorry that happened, turbonerd. It’s a common experience for people with autism to fall foul of the language requirements in this debate - there are some women on this board who have articulated the issues with feeling you have to jump through hoops to,say the “right thing”, and how hard that can be. You’ve highlighted a fundamental issue: if sex doesn’t exist, then being trans can’t exist either. You got booted because there’s no answer to that in the dogma, so you just have to be shut up!

“Cis” is supposed to mean that you are not trans, effectively that you do “identify” with the sex you were born as. Personally, I am not cis and do not care to be referred to as such because I don’t “identify” as a woman- I just am one. Using it can get your post deleted round these parts, but hopefully neither of us have fallen foul of that today....

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