More “inclusive” female health

What are they hoping to achieve by this?

An endometriosis sufferer would be much more concerned with getting treatment for the condition than the semantics used to describe it surely.

Women's reproductive health is already given a piss poor response. I wish they would spend their time actually trying to help women with this affliction instead of appeasing the fucking trans lobby!!!!

Good point paintedPanda

What was that rule of misogyny again..?

‘Men are whatever they say they are, women are whatever men say they are..‘

Not everyone identifies as male or as female, as their given gender at birth

Aren’t we assigned our sex at birth not our gender.

Why do people keep saying gender. Isn’t that factually incorrect.

It's odd though, how the Prostate Cancer UK website claims that "men, we are with you" when it's obvious that not all with prostates are men

@FireUnderTheHand

Could any of the patient charities pick this gaslighty nonsense up on social media to highlight how absolutely farcical things are getting for female patients?

Endometriosis UK? National Voices? Wellbeing of Women?

No we need to get female /women/ girl status up to men rather than disguising who we are in order to get taken seriously.

I know where you're coming from but it's not a good idea to my mind.

But in my experience, to some people, the word "women" means just that: a potentially fuckable object, with no genuine human identity.
By swapping "woman"/"women" for "person"/"people", we reaffirm her (our) humanity.

Wtf?

Women are not human? Fuck that. I don't need to reclaim my humanity, thanks. I will not be redefined by other people.

FFS

Endo has been the bane of my existence since my menses started at 12yrs old.

These days I get about a 12 day break between 10 day-long periods; this last one was a standout doozy. There is nothing to help me short of a hysterectomy but it isn't covered by insurance as it is considered 'an elective procedure'. I am in Stage 3 and infertile as a result, facing the inevitable eventual fusion of my organs with endo as the glue.

Love and solidarity to OP (and all other posters and all other GIRLS/WOMEN/FEMALES that live with this condition).

The only social construct concerning endometriosis is the social construct of sexism. Of a largely Male and masculinise medical profession disbelieving and belittling women’s knowledge of their female bodies.

The disagreeing comments on that Facebook page have now disappeared. I didn't know you can do that.

What total and utter bollocks!! I cannot comprehend this at all.

Sex organs are categorised as male and female. Uterus is a female sex organ.

If women were not systematically oppressed, ignored, undervalued, abused, under represented but really treated as equals to men, I am not sure that it would be at all infuriating.

It may well be that using the word person results in a more benign response to rights than using the word woman but as it is also the case that using the word person instead of man or woman, usually results in the assumption that the subject is male thus erasing women from discussions, then this is not the right way forward.

As for the other gender stuff bringing roads and glass into it... I would love to see what the TRA discussion looks like in French or German...

But in my experience, to some people, the word "women" means just that: a potentially fuckable object, with no genuine human identity.

I couldn’t care less what the word woman means to other people. If they want to define women in such derogatory terms, they are a shit person who doesn’t get to redefine women according to their shit views.

She is currently leading a research team to assess transgender pelvic health needs and offers a LGBTQIA affirming, kink informed, trauma informed, and sex positive environment

Oh my fucking shitcakes. The end of sanity is here.

It is gender bollocks.

However, regardless of trans ideology, I find there can be a benefit, sometimes, to using gender neutral language, even when referring to uniquely female conditions.

Referring to a person through their sexual organs or bodily functions is dehumanising and objectifying ("cervix havers", "menstruators" 😑)

But in my experience, to some people, the word "women" means just that: a potentially fuckable object, with no genuine human identity.
By swapping "woman"/"women" for "person"/"people", we reaffirm her (our) humanity.

I think I read somewhere (citation needed... ) that in some US surveys about abortion rights, support for "pro-choice" policies was stronger when the questions mentioned "person" instead of "woman" (e.g. "pregnancy can take a heavy toll on a person's body").
It seems to neutralise some of the respondent's implicit bias.

I don't think gender neutral language is particularly suitable when addressing the persons themselves (e.g., in a newsletter to endometriosis sufferers, who are painfully aware of their own femaleness, and may also struggle with a sense of lost feminity, e.g. in term of fertility), but it can be useful (strategically) when communicating to a wider audience (which is bound to include people who do not see women as people, and constantly need reminding)

Change the narrative indeed!

Weird. The person responding angrily to all gc comments at that Facebook account has a website which talks about endo as a condition affecting women and girls. salliesarrel.com/

So she/they must have changed their views fairly recently.

I think the LBBTQ is a typo - everything I've found on Google referencing it later refers to LGBTQ.

Makes more sense, but in this ever shifting quicksand of ‘queer theory’ I just never know 🤡 🌎

Speedy wishes for recovery, OP.

Based on her responses to responses in that Facebook post and the website for the summit, the main organiser is firmly on the side of the kind of inclusiveness which leaves all windows and doors unlocked and open when it is women's houses and invites anyone in who wishes to enter while also privileging the newcomers' wishes over those of the long-term residents.

I had an email at work the other day about a session on endometriosis awareness. They had deliberately left the word woman out of the email and in doing so mangled the facts, suggesting that it affects as many people in the U.K. as diabetes. In reality, it affects as many women as diabetes does but this is not true across the whole population because men don't get endometriosis obviously. The email was sent by our local inclusivity champion

Seeing women now unable to name themselves and women's health issues is so depressing.

Clothes are definitely a social construct.

Without them it's pretty obvious who is what.

This is why we have included Gender and Menstruation workshops, panels on LBBTQAI and trans endometriosis at our conferences.

I’m not sure what part of the acronym means. Is it a typo cos I couldn’t find this para on their webinar info?

L, B, Q - I get, they maybe missed off G because that’s for men (but aren’t transmen gay too?) but no idea what the other B is? I’m assuming A is asexual and I is intersex?

What am I missing?

www.theendometriosissummit.com/conference-2020.html

945-1045 ExtraGenital Endometriosis Not all endometriosis is found within the reproductive system of the ovaries, tubes, and uterus. Endometriosis can be found in lots of different areas of the body from the bowel and bladder to the lung and even onto the pericardium. This panel presents research and discussion on why a multi-specialty team is needed for endometriosis care and breaks down the nitty gritty of treating endometriosis surgically; how to treat extra genital endometriosis correctly; what the symptoms and treatments are for lung, bladder, and bowel endometriosis; why everything that ails the pelvic does not have to be endometriosis; the rubrics of surgery; healing from surgery and preventing adhesions; how to choose a surgeon; robotics vs traditionally laparoscopy; and the topics that our Town Meeting audience bring. Learn why what your local GYN is saying may not be true

So I googled ‘what does endometriosis mean‘ and first result from www.uclahealth.org/obgyn/endometriosis

“Endometriosis is a disorder where the tissue that makes up the uterine lining (the lining of the womb) grows outside the uterus. Endometriosis is usually found in the lower abdomen, or pelvis, but can appear anywhere in the body.
Endometriosis is estimated to affect between 3% and 10% of reproductive-aged women.”

Also googled ‘extragenital endometriosis’ (note one word, not two)

“Endometriosis is a gynaecologic disease characterized by endometrial tissue outside the uterine cavity. Commonly it affects the pelvic organs. When endometrial nodules or plaques are localized in sites other than the uterus or ovaries, it is termed extragenital endometriosis.“

And it’s pretty rare.

All of these definitions are female specific, using female sex specific language (women, womb, ovaries, gynaecological, endometrial, uterine) an’ all.

The words we’ve agreed to use so we have a common understanding might be a social construct, but it’s a very important one as it allows us to communicate and language is something we developed very quickly, but, as PP have said all of the words are a label for a thing. That is then also labeled as belonging to another thing.

Maybe we should just go back to grunts and stick drawings.
I‘d lay bets though that the two legged upright walkie thing would still know which other part of the two legged upright walkie thing they should have sex with to produce a baby.