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"Gender Ideology" - new film from State Media coming soon

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OhHolyJesus · 27/08/2020 16:14

GC film released next month. To quote the last comment at the end:

"You're going to get in a lot of trouble for this"

No. Shit.

Trailer here:

mobile.twitter.com/The_StateMedia/status/1298988642493329408?s=04

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FireUnderTheHand · 12/09/2020 02:19

Yeah the Lebanon stuff was a bit silly, really, and risks boring people completely for the sake of a joke.

Agreed, I unintentionally found myself tuning out during the intro as it felt like a rushed oral report in an undergrad class. It wasn't terrible but it wasn't notable either. Attempting to tie it to the film narrative felt misplaced and out of left field anytime it was mentioned.

With a good editor (one that could break out the tracks, drop the source footage music from the project, and drop new music in to go with the tone and flow) the film could have great impact. Music creates mood/tone or complements it or destroys it... in this case I actively tried to tune most of the music out as I found it to somewhat obscure the seriousness of certain points.

This film needed to be made, and while it isn't perfectly polished or up to certain standards the importance of the prevailing message is not diminished.

I hope to see more from The State based on what I have seen on their site.

PhoebeSnow · 11/09/2020 23:47

Thank you Datun will have another look tomorrow

Datun · 11/09/2020 23:39

@PhoebeSnow

Well that’s gone! Anyone know where it will pop up again?
It's not gone. They split it into parts.

I wonder if it was deliberate. You'd have to make quite a few, individual, specific complaints this way.

morningtoncrescent62 · 11/09/2020 23:32

I had to sign in (I don't usually sign in on Youtube) and verify my age, after which it was all there, in 15 parts. I recommend the final part, the Coda, @littlbrowndog. There's a moving photomontage of people speaking out, and a final word from Magdalen Berns which made me cry.

PhoebeSnow · 11/09/2020 23:10

Well that’s gone! Anyone know where it will pop up again?

littlbrowndog · 11/09/2020 22:50

Watched it apart from last chapter. It is long

I really liked when Emily mantles was interviewing the lady from Tavistock. Omg how she wriggled as she was skewered and had no answers as to why they had no peer reviewed research papers

Datun · 11/09/2020 22:43

@jj1968

Haha! You're seriously saying sky News has contacted YouTube to say they violated the copyright for that video?

Quite possibly, and if they haven't they will. They employ people to search for copyright violations. Or a complaint could come from someone whose personal video footage is included. Youtube may even opt to take it down themselves to pre-empt any DMCAs.

I'm sure they've had a zillion complaints. It's almost the point.

The censorship is what garners the attention. As I said, it's self defeating.

jj1968 · 11/09/2020 22:32

Haha! You're seriously saying sky News has contacted YouTube to say they violated the copyright for that video?

Quite possibly, and if they haven't they will. They employ people to search for copyright violations. Or a complaint could come from someone whose personal video footage is included. Youtube may even opt to take it down themselves to pre-empt any DMCAs.

Datun · 11/09/2020 22:23

@jj1968

Unless SKY/BBC/RT etc have explicitly forfeiting all rights to that footage (which can be done via creative commons) then it is not public domain. It doesn't matter that it has previously appeared on youtube, all that means it is was either posted by the copyright holders or someone else has also violated copyright. Any experienced film producer should know that.
Haha! You're seriously saying sky News has contacted YouTube to say they violated the copyright for that video?

YouTube themselves have said it's because of age restrictions.

And they've left it up as chapters.

jj1968 · 11/09/2020 22:13

Unless SKY/BBC/RT etc have explicitly forfeiting all rights to that footage (which can be done via creative commons) then it is not public domain. It doesn't matter that it has previously appeared on youtube, all that means it is was either posted by the copyright holders or someone else has also violated copyright. Any experienced film producer should know that.

Datun · 11/09/2020 22:03

It was two and a half hours of copyrighted material they didn't own the rights to, of course it got taken down. It will get taken down wherever else it gets posted as well, SKY and the Beeb protect their copyright ferociously.

Source?

They have said that every bit of film they put on there is available elsewhere on YouTube.

I've seen almost all of it before. As has everyone else. All the clips, sky News, the tweets. It's all in the public domain.

jj1968 · 11/09/2020 22:02

Well I'd watch them whilst you can cos I doubt they will be there long.

PronounssheRa · 11/09/2020 21:52

It's not taken down. Still available but in sections.

jj1968 · 11/09/2020 21:46

@Datun

Taking it down is just giving it a massive amount of Streisand effect.

They never, ever learn.

The makers have actually said the more censorship they encounter, the harder they're going to go at it.

I've never known such a counter-productive movement.

The no debate hashtag has almost single-handedly created a never ending stream of challenge.

It was two and a half hours of copyrighted material they didn't own the rights to, of course it got taken down. It will get taken down wherever else it gets posted as well, SKY and the Beeb protect their copyright ferociously.
Datun · 11/09/2020 21:03

Taking it down is just giving it a massive amount of Streisand effect.

They never, ever learn.

The makers have actually said the more censorship they encounter, the harder they're going to go at it.

I've never known such a counter-productive movement.

The no debate hashtag has almost single-handedly created a never ending stream of challenge.

OhHolyJesus · 11/09/2020 20:54

Damn. I was only 30 mins in.

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ArabellaScott · 11/09/2020 20:44

Ah, I see. Thanks. Hopefully it'll stay up long enough to watch it!

Winesalot · 11/09/2020 20:35

The full version has been taken down by youtube. The parts are still there for now. They obviously have a plan for when youtube removes all the videos.

ArabellaScott · 11/09/2020 20:25

Wait, it's still there on youtube. Just the link from their website says its been taken down. Odd.

ArabellaScott · 11/09/2020 20:24

Ach, it's gone. Was just about to start part 2, after being a bit befuddled by the Lebanon opening. Damn.

Falleninwiththewrongcrowd · 11/09/2020 20:19

It's been taken down from YouTube for "violating terms of service". Not even viewable on TheStateMedia's own website as far as I can see. I hope they can get it back out. I watched about half last night and was looking forward to finishing tonight.

GrandmaMazur · 11/09/2020 13:15

What I've seen so far is good (up to part 7).

Parts 5 and 6 are particularly good at outlining the absolute nonsense of the ideology - anyone unclear what the fuss is about should watch these. I really like the listing in part 6 of all the celebrity trans allies with the statement that not one of them has condemned any misogynistic abuse by TRAs.

TheShoesa · 11/09/2020 12:48

Sorry - not website, Youtube channel

TheShoesa · 11/09/2020 12:47

I have just watched this - I sped it up to 1.5 speed to reduce the watching time without missing anything!

On the state media website, chapter 12 is currently still there, but with a viewer warning. Perhaps that's the one to watch now if it's likely to get taken down and if you're short of time?

"Gender Ideology" - new film from State Media coming soon
Datun · 11/09/2020 09:15

From what I can gather, where they have separated the films into individual films of each chapter, chapter 12 has gone. But if you watch the 2 1/2 hour video, it's still there.

It's always very revealing what gets targeted. I believe it's the self ID part, in this case.

It's comprehensive about how this is all playing out, for sure.

Apparently they are going to do schools next.

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