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Ann Sinnott is asking for clarity on guidance for the Equality Act

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MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 26/08/2020 15:36

around the guidance for the Equality Act 2010, and is crowdfunding for a judicial review. Thought I ought to spread the word.

[title edited by MNHQ at OP's request]

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highame · 27/08/2020 14:30

If the law can be misrepresented, does it mean that any defendant can plead that the law is outdated and e.g. it wasn't theft but a re-distribution of capital

Datun · 27/08/2020 14:21

@thinkingaboutLangCleg

They've basically decided that the EA is 'outdated', so they'll take it upon themselves to change the words to mean what they want them to mean. I can't quite believe the arrogance.

This is what we're up against, a colossal wall of arrogance and contempt -- for ordinary people who don't believe the narrative, as well as for women in general. Yet it's starting to crumble, and Ann's crowdjustice fund is up to £1180 already. There is hope.

This is it. The intent of the GRA has been misrepresented and twisted out of all recognition.

'Attributes of sex', should be just that. Not clothes, hair or make up.

houseofstark · 27/08/2020 13:50

I’ve just had a little dig too.

I mostly lurk on these boards but they have been eye-opening to me and I have benefited so much from the education.

Thank you to everyone who continues to fight the good fight.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 27/08/2020 13:49

Donated - gave CJ’s £2 donation to Ann’ campaign.

Ann - if you read these boards, you are awesome. Flowers

highame · 27/08/2020 13:45

doesn't time fly Grin

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 27/08/2020 13:10

I'm reading a social history book on women in Early Modern England and this line jumped out at me

'[ … ] the gender order in early modern England will suggest a regime deeply misogynistic, the product of male contempt, fear, and self-interest packaged as principle'.

Seems times don't change.

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endofthelinefinally · 27/08/2020 12:49

Women have always had to fight for everything, contributing pennies and pounds, bit by bit. Look at how the first refuges were set up.
Then the men come along and demand their "rights".
Same old...

terryleather · 27/08/2020 12:42

I've chucked my spadesworth in too...clarity on this issue is very much needed so we know where we are.

PronounssheRa · 27/08/2020 12:41

It's a disgrace that women have to fund JRs to have existing legal rights respected.

Yet here we are, again. I'll help out later, and will continue to do so for as long as it takes.

fatblackcatspaw · 27/08/2020 12:37

yay over half way already!

BlackeyedSusan · 27/08/2020 12:29

Probably autistic, but with guidance above, have learned how to use a spade! As datun said, this is massive..

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 27/08/2020 12:06

£11,180!

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 27/08/2020 12:05

They've basically decided that the EA is 'outdated', so they'll take it upon themselves to change the words to mean what they want them to mean. I can't quite believe the arrogance.

This is what we're up against, a colossal wall of arrogance and contempt -- for ordinary people who don't believe the narrative, as well as for women in general. Yet it's starting to crumble, and Ann's crowdjustice fund is up to £1180 already. There is hope.

334bu · 27/08/2020 11:54

Thanks for new title. Much clearer now. Over 11 now Smile

DialSquare · 27/08/2020 11:44

Thanks Michelle. That really does make the implications of this very clear.

MilleniumHallsWalledGarden · 27/08/2020 11:42

Great post Michelle

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yourhairiswinterfire · 27/08/2020 11:37

Yes Michelle, that was a brilliant post. I luffs you lot 😊

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 27/08/2020 11:31

[quote Namechangetoavoidmra]@milesjuppismybitch sorry, I dont understand your question, but i posted a link to the crowd funder website as someone was asking and I didnt know that wasnt allowed.
Sorry MN moderators. I have read the guidelines but clearly not absorbed them.
Please dont let it jeopardise this thread. Was just a silly multitasking mistake as I should have realised there was a reason no one else had posted it[/quote]
Sorry - I'm clearly being too jumpy. This thread is clearly being closely watched! Thanks

NonnyMouse1337 · 27/08/2020 11:30

Great post MichelleofzeResistance. Smile

Namechangetoavoidmra · 27/08/2020 11:30

@dialsquare oh yes, that makes more sense now.
My guess is that posts with links to specific URLs - including the CJ one - get an automated quarantine, like a spam filter (that's certainly what happened to mine - immediately went to quarantine and then quickly deleted after that).
Lesson learned.

DialSquare · 27/08/2020 11:26

Bold fail!

DialSquare · 27/08/2020 11:26

[quote Namechangetoavoidmra]@milesjuppismybitch sorry, I dont understand your question, but i posted a link to the crowd funder website as someone was asking and I didnt know that wasnt allowed.
Sorry MN moderators. I have read the guidelines but clearly not absorbed them.
Please dont let it jeopardise this thread. Was just a silly multitasking mistake as I should have realised there was a reason no one else had posted it[/quote]
I read MilesJuppIsMyBitch's question as directed at MNHQ.

MichelleofzeResistance · 27/08/2020 11:14

Why has it all been done quietly by the backdoor?

Because it is perfectly well known that it cannot be achieved by fair means, in full sight, with full informed consent of the electorate.

Which admits, there's no mandate, it would raise protests and questions that couldn't be overcome, and it cannot stand on its own merits. It requires the subjugation of all female people's needs and feelings and best interests to those of a tiny percentage of those born male. It is fundamentally unfair and unjust and unequal. It cannot allow equal consideration to be given to those born female because if that is allowed to happen it does not work.

The hope is that if it's made law it will just be impossible to undo and female people will shut up, go away and eventually get used to their subordinated, lesser position and losses as the new normal.

One would hope that parliament and MPs would get a bit more interested in the ethics of a political lobby group being enabled to reframe, adapt and alter laws in their own best interests against the decisions of the HoC and due process. Because if that's how things are going to work and that's ok, why bother with MPs or the HoC at all? Why bother with the Civil Service and equality law at all when it just says what the most powerful political lobby group want, regardless of things like fairness, equality, consideration of all tax payer interests etc?

No taxation without representation. Dig. Yes. And if this finds in the favour of said political lobby group it will lay out before the electorate in clear sight: females are second class citizens in the UK, subordinate at all times to the best interests of males. And MPs/HoC are just expensive noise makers, the law is made by stealth with no regard for democracy or the very expensive piles upon piles of law and legislation the HoC roll out.

Good luck getting that past the UK general public. Boris is already clear that this whole situation is a poison chalice.

GCGayDad · 27/08/2020 11:06

@IamEarthymama

Can someone please post or PM a link, I can't find it? Thanks
Just contributed. Found it by Googling "crowd justice" and Ann Sinnot. It came straight up.
Namechangetoavoidmra · 27/08/2020 11:05

@milesjuppismybitch sorry, I dont understand your question, but i posted a link to the crowd funder website as someone was asking and I didnt know that wasnt allowed.
Sorry MN moderators. I have read the guidelines but clearly not absorbed them.
Please dont let it jeopardise this thread. Was just a silly multitasking mistake as I should have realised there was a reason no one else had posted it