MGTOW. Wtaf?

Going their own way only because they can't bully, intimidate or gaslight women into going their way. They are at the same time both pathetic and dangerous.

I wish they would just go their own way. They'd find that a world entirely under male influence would be a horrible place though. It always is. Think ISIS or Afghanistan.

I wish more women would go their own way, but I find it refreshing that women are finally starting to wake up to men/male nature. These males are doing us all a favour. Incels are very dangerous but I'm glad the FBI are keeping an eye on them.

I think this is another instance where a media feminist has appropriate information that has been on the internet and discussed for some time by feminists.

If you google "incel" you will get some idea.

And it is important to be aware of them, as there have been cases of violence against women (and I think one terrorist act) where the men concerned have had internet interactions with other incels.

ie the movement is as much a reastion to men who feel (unfairly) rejected by women. So rather than looking at what might be their faults / attitudes, instead make out the problem is women.

I think thats an accurate analysis, but I also think you made it from the POV of a person who values having agency and can see that being objectified is infantilising and unappealing.
Thats why its difficult to put yourself in the position of someone who may be very successful but would still like to be objectified on their own terms. Like only at the weekends, and only by good looking, successful men.
I think there may also be the belief that objectifying must feel good for you because its me doing it.

I think there is something worth considering here, and I don’t mean the ideology, a lot of that is misogynistic tripe. However I do think there is a crisis in masculinity of which I believe the most significant contributing factor is absentee or emotionally stunted fathers who are failing to model positive masculine behaviour.

I don’t think our wider cultural obsession with competing in the oppression olympics helps much either. So many groups are in this desperate race to the bottom on which group has it worst and is thus worthy of the most social/political consideration. As indeed the trans lobby has had most success with of late.

Now this may be tinfoil hat thinking on my part, but I have been trying to unpack this misogyny in my head for awhile, and I believe (although I don’t think mgtows, mras or trans activists are cognisant of this) that these men resent the objectification of women. Now bear with me a moment as this is either counter intuitive (or perhaps most likely entirely wrong!). When society objectifies women either as sex objects, an unpaid labour force or as baby makers thus confers an intrinsic value on each individual woman based on her relative positions on those scales. Men aren’t objectified, but have more agency and I think men who fail at marshalling that agency into whatever they would define as successful in their own heads end up massively resenting that intrinsic value women as objects possess whilst simultaneously entirely missing the point that objectification carries with it that loss of agency, however for an unsuccessful that intrinsic object value looks mighty tempting by comparison and a source of all this massive resentment.

I note that some transgender women who pass and meet current beauty standards sometime struggle to fathom this reduction of agency and some regret transitioning at all as a result. I also note conversely trans men who pass reasonably well end up quite enjoying the extra agency and the freedom it entails.

In some cases I think this kind of coverage is actually what makes these groups become mainstream.

I wouldn't think it a bad thing if men like that aimed to be as far away from women as is possible.
In reality, none of them are going to do that. They'll just pat each other on the back online, reassuring one another that everything that has ever gone wrong in their life is the fault of women or feminism or homosexuals or the liberal agenda, yada yada yada.
Then, when they do get girlfriends or get married, they are just going to make another woman very, very miserable.

33K members is pretty thin stuff considering how much talk there is about it. I recall hearing of this almost 10 years ago (it was set up in 2011) and i asumed there'd be tens of millions signed up to it. It's baffling how unpopular it is IMO, considering how many aggrieved men seem to be knocking around on Twitter, Facebook etc.

🎵 They can go their own waaaaaayyyy, go their own waayyyyyy

Now I've got Fleetwood Mac in my head

Yes, they can go off and not make a fuss about it.

I wish they would go their own way and be bloody quiet about it.

In spite of having a pile of good men in my life, I am not infrequently given to wishing that the 'men going their own way' would just do that. Permanently and with the minmum of fuss. Don't suppose that's actually an option?