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Surrogacy for deceased egg or sperm

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poshme · 25/08/2020 08:50

In the news there are reports about a person in Scotland who wants to use the sperm of a deceased family member to make a baby using a surrogate.

They are going to go to court to get the right to keep the sperm. They say their sadly deceased child wanted to be a parent and they are just following their wishes.

Surely the courts must say no? Surely unless there have been specific directions left, human tissue from someone should not be used after their death to create a baby?

Grief is awful, but I can't believe this should be allowed.

Do google the case. It's in Times & telegraph.

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BlackWaveComing · 25/08/2020 10:24

Mother is displacing her grief through a dream of a new child.

Embryo/sperm in context of a wife accessing after husband's death where evidence of mutual plans to begin/add to family is one thing. No surrogate involved, no separation of infant from mother.

This is an entirely different thing, requires use of one or two women's bodies to achieve ( egg donor/surrogate), deliberately creates a child with no care from bio mother or father.

Also...I don't think this is an ok burden for a child, to be brought into being purely so grandmother can have link to her sadly deceased child.

Deceased minor may have changed mind about baby/children as an adult.

I feel the mother seeking permission needs better bereavement support.

sleepyhead · 25/08/2020 10:23

The person was a minor when they deposited their sperm and they were still very young when they tragically died.

I don't really see a parallel with the Diane Blood case where there was a long established relationship with the plan to create a family together.

This is a (potential) grandmother wanting to use the sperm of her deceased young child (they were 16 when they died). She says that they had "always wanted a family", but really that is by the by - the poor child will never have a child of their own because they are dead.

I am heart sorry for this woman, but it seems unethical to me to plan to create a child from the sperm of a dead 16 year old, a donor egg and a surrogate because you think (say) that's what they would have wanted.

They would have wanted a lot of things that are sadly no longer possible. I guess it's all of her child that she has left and she's clinging on to that.

Thisismytimetoshine · 25/08/2020 10:22

Surely there's a consent issue? Imagining a 16 year old wanting to be a parent after their death is creepy and wrong.
It should be an instant and emphatic No.

ivfdreaming · 25/08/2020 10:18

I believe however there has been a couple of cases in America where is was approved and also Israel. But the ECHR refused someone from a European country and a British couple who did it took the sperm to America to do surrogacy and subsequently came back with the grandchild

ivfdreaming · 25/08/2020 10:16

I've read about these quite frankly weird goings on before when someones son died and his parents wanted to use his sperm to create a grandchild. Pretty sure it was refused in the courts.

I know in my IVF paperwork if my DH was to die or become mentally incapacitated then he ticked the box approving that I could still transfer the embryos but obviously he was an adult when he made that decision and the so erm had already been used to fertilise my eggs. I'm not sure a child would have had the legal capacity to agree to such a thing and certainly not his parents using it to create a grandchild?

LastRoloIsMine · 25/08/2020 10:00

This should be an instant NO.

Nobody has the right to have children least of all a grandmother using her dead 16 yo sons sperm.

Who will be the surrogate?
Will the baby be told the the sperm came from their dead mother?
Why would you do this to a child!

I am of course sorry for her loss but this is not the answer to coping with her grief.

poshme · 25/08/2020 09:45

@Gwynfluff I think the difference here is that there isn't, and never was- a partner of the donor- the sperm was given & stored when the person was a child- and it's their parent who wants to now use the sperm.

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Gwynfluff · 25/08/2020 09:19

The Diana Blood case established this as a right decades ago now.

Is it the use of a surrogate that has brought it to court as otherwise it's been allowed for years.

I always, and the Blood case precedes me having my own children, found it odd that you would deliberately conceive a child to then lay on them the memory of their dead parent. Parents die of course, and people use donor insemination but there was something I found a bit strange about this course of action. Also Diana Blood had 2 children, and to be honest, beyond the first child, could you really argue that the dead husband would have wanted a second child. Anyway, there are interviews with her and coverage of the court cases.

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