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Surrogacy for straight men wanting kids?

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bathsh3ba · 25/08/2020 08:35

I can't find the link now but yesterday I was scrolling through Twitter and there was a post where someone was moaning about being blocked from Tinder. Another guy said dating was hopeless, there were no decent women and he was going to use his best female friend's eggs and hire a surrogate to carry them. He also said lots of straight men were now doing this.
I have so many questions! Is this really a common thing now, hiring women's wombs out? I'd heard of it for fertility problems but not just convenience. Why would anyone do it? No amount of money would make me carry someone else's child for 9 months then give it away. Since when did babies come to order? Ugh....

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110APiccadilly · 25/08/2020 11:29

I once saw an MRA type boasting online that he'd done this. No idea if it was true. If it's ok for gay men/ infertile couples/ etc, I find it hard to think of a coherent argument against it being ok for single men.

(Note that I do not agree with the premise that it is ok for those groups. I'm just saying I can't see a reason to restrict to only them.)

SnuggyBuggy · 25/08/2020 11:26

Am I really cynical in wondering if the sort of man who would do this could actually be arsed to look after a child or do they tend to hire nannies?

JonHammIsMyJamm · 25/08/2020 11:26

I disagree with the ethics of surrogacy. As PP’s have said, the idea of women, babies and reproduction as a commodity is disgusting to me.

Nookable · 25/08/2020 11:21

This has reminded me of an article published earlier in the year. They interviewed a variety of single dad's who had became parents through fostering, adoption and surrogacy. So there's at least 2 single dad's in the UK who used a (US) surrogate.

The ones that used surrogacy were also both in their mid 50s or older when the children which just adds another dimension of selfishness in my opinion. These kids will likely either be orphans or have caring responsibilities by the time they're 30.

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jan/29/i-always-wanted-to-be-a-dad-the-rise-of-single-fathers-by-choice

buttonhole · 25/08/2020 11:17

Straight men wanting babies is no different to gay men; women are still not a commodity for them to use.

^
This.

DreadPirateLuna · 25/08/2020 11:03

I feel a lot of sympathy for people who want children and can't have them for whatever reason. I married relatively late and had fertility struggles. My best friend would love to have been a Mum but never met the right guy and is now past the age where it's possible. My youngest brother is single and I know he'd love children (DD and her cousins think he's the coolest uncle ever).

However, this doesn't mean I can discount the ethical problems with surrogacy (or with some types of adoption). I would have been devastated if my efforts to have a child failed, but that doesn't mean I could exploit someone else to fulfill my dreams.

Aesopfable · 25/08/2020 10:54

Straight men wanting babies is no different to gay men; women are still not a commodity for them to use. Though perhaps being straight it make the commodification of women even clearer.

But even before that, saying he intends to use his best friends eggs as though they can be produced in the same way as sperm? I suspect he has no idea that in order to have eggs to collect women have to put themselves through a horrendous hormonal regime and then undergo what is an invasive surgical procedure. Or that this whole process has some serious risks attached to it. If he did and it was a genuine friendship then he would no way expect that of her.

1940s · 25/08/2020 10:37

I dont see the difference between a single man, a gay couple or a married straight couple for example that are infertile. They all can't physically have children. I disagree with surrogacy in each scenario. And the more we see it in any of the scenarios the more prevalent it will become across each scenario.

bathsh3ba · 25/08/2020 10:25

I don't know if the guy was UK based, I didn't check his profile. I think laws may be more relaxed in the US? But it's just the idea that you can 'hire' a womb or you can 'order' a baby that I find so hard to get my head around. I can just about understand it in cases of fertility difficulties, although I still feel uncomfortable with the hiring element of it, but a gay or trans couple don't have 'fertility difficulties', they just don't have the right equipment - same with a single straight man. Somehow it makes it worse to me. It is dangerously close to saying having a child is a human right and I really strongly disagree with that.

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buttonhole · 25/08/2020 09:45

.... hire a surrogate to carry them...

Illegal, surely.

SoloMummy · 25/08/2020 08:59

I don't see this any different to gay couples tbh.

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