Surrogacy for straight men wanting kids?

Straight men wanting babies is no different to gay men or straight couples or single women or lesbian couples ; women are still not a commodity for them to use.

Women also exploit other women when it comes to surrogacy.

Didn't Michael Jackson do this years ago?

• I think you are forgetting one important thing - medical insurance, be it a social model or private.

If I was a medical insurer, I wouldn't entertain a claim from a bloke whose only impairment re fertility appears to be his inability to attract a mate.

Not that you can go backwards as such, but you have to follow the string back until you find the knot and try and untangle it there.

That ship sailed decades ago. If indeed it was ever in port to start with. I believe the roller coaster has climbed the up bit (took a long time) and we're just at the point where you can wave to your watching family before it hurtles down, accelerating (because that's how gravity works) before it hits the ground at pretty much terminal (which would be the correct word in so many ways) velocity.

I have fuck all intention of being in said car, but don't really know where's best to stand and watch the carnage. Although I'm guessing it would be somewhere that doesn't speak English.

Not that you can go backwards as such, but you have to follow the string back until you find the knot and try and untangle it there.

Not really sure where the surprise is coming from here ? In a society where we allow ourselves as humans to be commoditised, surely it's only natural that children should be commodities too ?

If people aren't happy then they need to wind us all back a few years. you can't stop this unless you stop the attitudes behind it.

Sharing some stories/cases of single men having surrogate babies. (My understanding is, and I'm no expert, that for parental orders there needs to be a genetic connection between the applicant and the baby, otherwise it needs to be an adoption order. The restrictions on POs only applying to couples was lifted in Dec 2018. The report here:
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-8076/#fullreport)

Another UK case back in 2016 (prior to the above) with representation from Natalie Gamble...Single Man is biological father to a baby born from surrogate mother ('mother' is mentioned once)
www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Fam/2016/1191.html

UK Single Man has his mother give birth to his child - his father adopted him but the mother was his biological mother and the baby was conceived using an egg donor. Essentially the court saw them as sibling, having the same mother and father (though not quite the same biology of course but the same legal parents.)

"A child (A) had been born to a woman (C) and her husband (D) as part of a surrogacy arrangement with a single man (B). B was the son of C and adopted son of D. B was a 26 year old single homosexual male who lived alone. B had wanted to start a family and a female relative had agreed to be a surrogate but had withdrawn due to medical reasons. C, with the support of D, offered to be a surrogate for her son. C, D and B received individual and group counselling and attended a clinic licensed by the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) where an embryo created with a donor egg and B’s sperm was implanted into C. A lived with B from birth and B made an application for an adoption order on the day A was born with the consent of C and D.
THE JUDGEMENT
"Theis, J granted the adoption order but noted that except for the close family relationship B, C and D would have been guilty of an offence under s.93 of the 2002 Act. The court’s judgement included advice to single people seeking a child through a surrogacy arrangement to ensure they sought substantial legal advice before embarking on that route to parenthood. In coming to a decision the court had the welfare of the child as its paramount consideration."

This single man has been called selfish by his friends...

“I faced so many heartbreaks along the way (including failed embryo transfers, miscarriages and a stillborn birth) that sometimes I just wanted to give up. And I definitely didn’t anticipate that I would work with a total of six surrogate moms.”
www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/became-single-dad-surrogacy-friends-050033936.html

The only case I can find so far of a single woman doing this is where she became a widow, the husband died during the Surrogate Mother's pregnancy. It wasn't her egg so she didn't have a genetic connection. The judge granted her parental responsibility and the surrogate mother supported this.

Lastly, I share this as it is relevant. The husband and wife divorce, after a whirlwind romance/marriage/surrogacy arrangements x 2 - the divorce is finalise the same month the surrogate mother gives birth:

"X and Y married in 2016 and within a matter of weeks went to the Ukraine where they joined the 'Victoria Vita Surrogacy programme', which offered a fixed price for unlimited embryo transfers. For reasons which are not clear the written agreement entered into has not been part of the papers in these proceedings. According to X this agreement included terms that permitted the clinic to sign on Y's behalf. X reports they chose an egg donor and embryos were created using the donated eggs and Y's gametes. A surrogate was selected, and an agreement signed in June 2016. The subsequent embryo transfer was successful, she was carrying twins. Unfortunately, the surrogate first miscarried one child and then, later, the second. Before the second miscarriage, X had sought further IVF treatment in the Ukraine, which was also unsuccessful. During the course of that treatment, the applicant met the respondent surrogate mother, Z. Following the first surrogate's second miscarriage a further surrogacy arrangement was entered into with Z on 9 December 2016 and embryos were transferred to Z on the same day. This agreement is in the papers with what X states are the signature of the agency on behalf of Y. The pregnancy was confirmed in December 2016."

Funny how a woman having her own child involves pain, surgery etc, etc, and a man having his own child involves a woman having surgery etc, etc. It's almost as if men think women are just one more natural resource to be exploited.
I don't underestimate an individual's desire to have a child but the human condition involves pain and disappointment. Without it we can hardly be called human.
www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/first-came-penis-envy-now-theres-womb-envy-1586614.html

He just says 'a good female friend'..

He won't have any of those so I'd suggest that's code for his mum.

I followed the link to see what this dick looked like - imagine my surprise when I clocked his big hairy beard!

So single women who use a sperm donor get judged for it, but a male is "allowed" to do this and get no judgement? That's just typical.

Not really, we are judging here aren't we?
In answer to the OPs question, I doubt it is common, widespread, or generally accepted.
As Goosefoot says, some random anon bloke on twitter has claimed he's going to do it.
No proof it has actually happened.

he was going to use his best female friend's eggs and hire a surrogate to carry them. He also said lots of straight men were now doing this.

Had his female friend offered her eggs, could you tell, or was there just an assumption that he had access to these as well as to a different woman’s womb?

I find it depressing that a man can say out loud "there are no decent women" and a woman will go through an operation to donate eggs for him, and another woman will agree to carry the foetus for him, and he may end up raising a motherless daughter who'll end up dealing with a severe case of internalized misogyny/guilt that she didn't oblige her misogynist father and grow a penis.

So single women who use a sperm donor get judged for it, but a male is "allowed" to do this and get no judgement? That's just typical. Considering men do very little for their kids already, this is absolutely not common. Funny how he said dating was pointless and there are no decent women. Lol, what an MRA. That means "there are no women who will do everything I say/bow down to the almighty male". There are no decent men, mate. You've got a bit confused.

People who say this are living in a fantasy world. Except for the few people who know somebody who is prepared to be a surrogate for altruistic reasons, surrogacy is never going to be a viable alternative for most people, unless they plan to exploit the birth mother.

I think you are forgetting one important thing - medical insurance, be it a social model or private.

Many of the people who think this is a solution thing that surrogacy, like other forms of treatment for people who have issues of fertility, should be paid for by state-funded health care or regular private insurance plans that most have access to.

They presumably believe that if enough cash was offered enough women would be interested in offering their services.

I don't think this is "common" just because some guy on Twitter says so.

Sorry - common isn't the right word.

I mean that it seems to be fairly accepted as a possible route to parenthood for older women with resources.

Unfortunately there is a group that claims that restricting it is discriminatory to gays and lesbians.

People who say this are living in a fantasy world. Except for the few people who know somebody who is prepared to be a surrogate for altruistic reasons, surrogacy is never going to be a viable alternative for most people, unless they plan to exploit the birth mother.

(I'm not attempting to address the point of whether it is every ethical to rent a womb - just pointing out that once you have decided that it is OK, any 'fair' price will be unattainable for all but a few people. You might as well argue that everyone should have properties in Windsor, London, Atlanta and Nice)

I don't think this is "common" just because some guy on Twitter says so.

I am sure it happens though, and the whole idea of surrogacy has become more acceptable in the general culture.

Unfortunately there is a group that claims that restricting it is discriminatory to gays and lesbians. I remember a few years ago a Guardian article where the designers Dolce and Gabbana were interviewed and said they disagreed with surrogacy and Elton John had some sort of fit about it. People in the comments were going on as this being prejudice about gays, how they were self hating gay men, etc.

Something about what people are being taught about fairness is leading people to think this way, I suspect.

Anyway, if surrogacy is ok, why not for a single person who is unmarried? Even without the womb factor I don't like bought or donated gametes of any kind being involved so it's kind of a no-go for me. This guy, if he is really wanting a family, maybe should consider marrying his egg donating friend.

It's all part of the push for "Fertlity equality" isn't it, that having a biologically related child is a "human right."

It's not a push for fertility equality, its a push for extreme fertility privilege.

The pool of women who want to be surrogates for altruistic reasons is understandably small. Surrogacy can only function as a tool of the very rich or through exploitation of the very poor.

Is this really a common thing now, hiring women's wombs out?

I think this is one of those issues where the US and the UK are poles apart.

It is illegal to 'hire a womb' in the UK. You can pay expenses, but theoretically a surrogate cannot make a profit.

However, it seems fairly common for older rich women to use a surrogate in the US.

It makes my blood run cold, @SapatSea

“access to wombs”, like they aren’t a private part of a human being with rights and autonomy. Who do these people think they are?

It's all part of the push for "Fertlity equality" isn't it, that having a biologically related child is a "human right." It seems to be being pushed a lot by some LGBTQ+ groups. I've also seen articles about Israeli gay couples lobbying for greater and equal "access to wombs." It's horrific and so wrong. I read this recently, free access to surrogacy is apparently taking "equality to it's final and logical conclusion"
www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/style/lgbtq-fertility-surrogacy-coverage.html