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MondayYogurt · 24/08/2020 21:32

The absolute thrill and power surge this TRA, Bethany Baptiste, must have felt in doing this.

twitter.com/storysorcery/status/1297708094122790918?s=21

Sorry if this is a dupe - I did search.

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Siablue · 27/08/2020 19:48

@JanMeyer

I almost feel sorry for Picoult. She will never write anything woke enough to please the TRAs.

I have little sympathy for her, she writes cookie cutter books with "hot topics" of the moment shoehorned in. She wrote a truly awful book about Aspergers. Funny you say she can never write anything woke enough to please the TRAs though. Because that's exactly what she tried to do with the Aspergers book, except obviously it was autism parents she was trying to please.
The book had lots of references to therapies, some of them experimental, made it very clear what a burden the boy was to his sibling, and of course he was violent. Worst of all the book had a "i knew my happy normal child" was gone moment, involving him wandering away from a party to stand in front of a TV flapping his hands. So yeah, easy to see what kind of "research" she had done.

And being a details obsessed kind of autistic i could never let go the fact that she referred to Wii games as being cartridges. As in a character popping the cartridge in his pocket. When of course they're discs, have been since the gamecube. Guess she hasn't seen a nintendo console since the mid nineties. Seriously though, if a writer can't be bothered to google a simple fact like that, how can you have any respect for them?

The autism book is why I will never read anything by Jodi Picolt ever again. She just writes the most copy and paste stereotypical books and doesn’t care that there are real people with autism (insert issue of the day).

The idea that you could lear what it feels like to be trans based on her book is a joke and the fact that she can spout that bollocks to someone who was trans and the parent of a dysphoric child is offensive.

I am pleased to see the reaction to this though. Sasha is getting a lot of support. I think that this is going to shock some of the bullies.

MissLawls · 27/08/2020 16:17

Jodie soon will find that alienating most of your audience and virtue signalling isn't what she thought it would be. The vast majority of people have had enough of it, they won't look to kindly on the people who fully embraced it.

She doesn't know her market does she?

Helmetbymidnight · 26/08/2020 17:23

oh jodi picoult, im blushing for her just reading that.

jodi:
I can give you overwhelming stats of suicides in young people prevented from transitioning

everyone: we'd like to see them, please.

jodii: youre all blocked.

JanMeyer · 26/08/2020 16:56

I almost feel sorry for Picoult. She will never write anything woke enough to please the TRAs.

I have little sympathy for her, she writes cookie cutter books with "hot topics" of the moment shoehorned in. She wrote a truly awful book about Aspergers. Funny you say she can never write anything woke enough to please the TRAs though. Because that's exactly what she tried to do with the Aspergers book, except obviously it was autism parents she was trying to please.
The book had lots of references to therapies, some of them experimental, made it very clear what a burden the boy was to his sibling, and of course he was violent. Worst of all the book had a "i knew my happy normal child" was gone moment, involving him wandering away from a party to stand in front of a TV flapping his hands. So yeah, easy to see what kind of "research" she had done.

And being a details obsessed kind of autistic i could never let go the fact that she referred to Wii games as being cartridges. As in a character popping the cartridge in his pocket. When of course they're discs, have been since the gamecube. Guess she hasn't seen a nintendo console since the mid nineties. Seriously though, if a writer can't be bothered to google a simple fact like that, how can you have any respect for them?

ArabellaScott · 26/08/2020 15:14

ACLU have also fought for the right of the KKK to march through Jewish neighbourhoods, and for anti-abortion protestors to gather outside womens' clinics.

Holy fuck, really?! That's a pretty hardcore freedom-of-speech position to take. But they won't get into the gender issues? Are they just generally anti-women, in that case? I mean, I don't even know what ACLU stands for or what it is.

ArabellaScott · 26/08/2020 15:13

Sarah Perry was heartily defending Damian Barr. Prior to his turning out to be horribly transphobic. Not sure what the official woke position is now - Barr's presumably allowed to be transphobic, not really sure why but some people are for some reason.

GrumpyGran8 · 26/08/2020 15:08

@TweeBree

THIS is what the ACLU should be fighting for, not suing the shit out of institutions to get men into women's toilets.
ACLU have also fought for the right of the KKK to march through Jewish neighbourhoods, and for anti-abortion protestors to gather outside womens' clinics. I get it why they did that - even the most hateful people have the right to peacefully express their opinions. That's clearly stated on their website. So why aren't they jumping all over this?
BaronessWrongCrowd · 26/08/2020 13:47

Jodie soon will find that alienating most of your audience and virtue signalling isn't what she thought it would be. The vast majority of people have had enough of it, they won't look to kindly on the people who fully embraced it.

Lamahaha · 26/08/2020 13:41

Julie Burchill’s book is called Welcome To The Woke Trials: How We Can Shape Progressive Future Politics and will be published by Constable next year.

Helmetbymidnight · 26/08/2020 13:36

ooh, i'll definitely read Julie Birchalls!

tra's characters fine- trans ideology? not so much- i read 'the art of being normal' because it was on dc's school recommended list. god, it was dire- i havent read anything that stupidly stereotypical since...since enid blyton.

Helmetbymidnight · 26/08/2020 13:33

mm, in an author group im in, there was a discussion about appropriation, it seemed to me that authors felt strongly about cultural appropriation or queer appropriation but seemed absolutely indifferent to sexual, age, class or any other kind. Hmm

two authors who i admire very much - sarah perry and Jo Nadin - were on twitter - disappointed and surprised by jkr.

we're in for a tumultuous few years yet. 😩

DreadPirateLuna · 26/08/2020 12:54

I almost feel sorry for Picoult. She will never write anything woke enough to please the TRAs. See for example the reaction to John Boyle's "My Brother's Name is Jessica".

The best novels (in all genres) are those in which the characters are real and flawed. There has been a push to get more diverse characters, especially in children's and YA, which overall I support. But there's a catch. Characters who are black, Muslim, disabled, gay, trans, etc. are under closer scrutiny for perceived offensive characteristics. In other words, if you create such characters and give them flaws, you are setting landmines for yourself. The only characters who are allowed the full range of personality are white, straight, able-bodied and preferably male.

This does not exactly feel like progress.

Lamahaha · 26/08/2020 12:10

That Jodi Picoult thread OMG.
And isn't it telling that instead of discussing the issue, all she did was block those who disagree. Talk about hiding your head in the sand!

Lamahaha · 26/08/2020 10:52

Julie Birchhill also has a GC book coming out soon. She posted the potential covers on FB recently. But I've forgotten the title.

Helmetbymidnight · 26/08/2020 10:44

wild woman writing club (twitter) is full of gc voices too.
id like to see a gc women in publishing off-shoot or something. the tras are very well organised- we need to be.

Helmetbymidnight · 26/08/2020 10:38

gc books will be out next year- i know helen joyce is working on one and dr kathleen stocks 'material girls' is ready to go. (fleet reads, part of little brown uk)

dr jess taylors book looks great too.

i think a book of essays by various on our experiences as women would be fab but something to org ourselves then take to agent/publisher.

AgnesCastus · 26/08/2020 09:16

You're right, Lamahaha. I was taking 'captured' to mean the fawning lipservice I see being given to TRA ideology, the unthinking virtue-signalling 'be kind'-ness that shoves women (like Baroness Nicholson) aside. I was truly sickened by the Damian Barr episode, and the number of people distancing themselves from JKR as if she was a plague-carrier, and retweeting the craven actor cowards' condemnation of her. That's the line the industry has chosen as the 'correct' one and anyone who publicly strays from that is taking a huge risk.

highame · 26/08/2020 09:03

Sorry, not about books but I think relevant

RoyalCorgi · 26/08/2020 09:03

However, I hope all the requests for evidence of high suicide rates has given her pause for thought (seeing as she was unable to provide any).

It seemed she blocked everyone who challenged her, so it seems unlikely she's going to think again. Or indeed think at all.

highame · 26/08/2020 09:02

Had a conversation with dgs about the last Dr who series and he said he didn't watch it because it had become 'embedded in the town of Wokenshire' Grin. He also said that the films that were woke were not appreciated and he and his pals (and there are lots, they have big on-line groups) find the whole thing very amusing.

They make exactly the same comments 'we just wont watch the stuff' and money talks. He was talking about characters in something specific but can't remember the name. They also review, big time and leave no one in any doubt.

He said the story lines are rubbish and that's not what they want.

I live in hope

SunsetBeetch · 26/08/2020 08:51

[quote rogdmum]But in being captured, I mean a lot more than a trans character appearing in contemporary books, or trans being made an "issue" in itself in a novel (Jodi Picault tends to write such "issue" novels -- has she touched on this? I don't know.)

Jodi is writing such a book right now. She told me: “ And I hope you will read my book...and see what it's like to actually BE trans, and to face a tsunami of discrimination.”

This was during a long thread here where people were imploring to look into the massive increase of adolescents with gender distress/dysphoria: twitter.com/jodipicoult/status/1271407114934681600?s=21[/quote]
I don't rate JP as an author at all. However, I hope all the requests for evidence of high suicide rates has given her pause for thought (seeing as she was unable to provide any).

Lamahaha · 26/08/2020 08:01

oops, sorry, I misunderstood "here". I thought you meant she said it on a MN thread! I see that it's Twitter.

Lamahaha · 26/08/2020 07:59

Jodi is writing such a book right now. She told me: “ And I hope you will read my book...and see what it's like to actually BE trans, and to face a tsunami of discrimination.”

Wow, just wow. Jodi was here on MN, and said this? Off to read that thread!

rogdmum · 26/08/2020 07:38

But in being captured, I mean a lot more than a trans character appearing in contemporary books, or trans being made an "issue" in itself in a novel (Jodi Picault tends to write such "issue" novels -- has she touched on this? I don't know.)

Jodi is writing such a book right now. She told me: “ And I hope you will read my book...and see what it's like to actually BE trans, and to face a tsunami of discrimination.”

This was during a long thread here where people were imploring to look into the massive increase of adolescents with gender distress/dysphoria: twitter.com/jodipicoult/status/1271407114934681600?s=21

xxyzz · 26/08/2020 06:46

Amusingly, the agent who fired her also liked a Titania McGrath tweet poking fun at him and the agency.

That is quite an impressive self-own!

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