Stonewall Lobby World Rugby

And non contact sports too. The same evidence can be used to show transwomen have advantage over women (quelle surprise). Let's get them out of cycling, running, weightlifting, athletics, everywhere they have a advantage. The TRAs know if this domino falls the rest will follow. If they resist, we replace them on the governing bodies.
Let them play against men or lobby for a new category. It may take years but had enough of this shit.

They won’t be able to get insurance - the clubs and individuals won’t get healthcare cover surely as it will be classified as a dangerous sport surely? And if a woman player is really hurt it heaven forbid killed the club and regulating bodies will be their arses sued off...

If world rugby were to back away from these proposals after proving there’s increased risk, it would cost them. Big time. So this is happening. And yes, it paves the way for other contact sports.

I am interested to see where they go from here. They seem to have sunk the whole ideology into this - if rugby goes, the whole deck of cards has gone - surely they must have a backout strategy??

Or will they give up and go home?

Ross Tucker was called racist the other day for acknowledging the long-standing dominance of Kenyan women in running. What the actual heck.

They'll thrown any old accusation at anyone in a futile attempt to discredit them. They know their ship is sinking. What we're seeing is a desperate grasping at straws as the lies their ideology are built on are unravelled.

Ross Tucker was called racist the other day for acknowledging the long-standing dominance of Kenyan women in running. What the actual heck.

Oh it’s hilarious watching him try and remain calm with these idiots just rambling nonsense at him and not being smart enough to understand anything really at all. Funnily enough I’ve never seen Dan Leo being called a bigot. He’s Samoan so completely used to Fa’afafine so he’s a different target.

From the bordering on snide retorts that Ross Tucker has been making in the past few days about the inanity that is passing for debate points of view, I think that he is now in full understanding that people would be happy to play against women knowing full well that they are in fact 'cheating'.

I qualify this as saying 'cheating' in that they were mediocre athletes in their own sex category who then excelled as 'females'. Which as he continues to point out is unfair. He has used some excellent logic to show this.

However, it still comes down to no trans specific rugby data (well..... shutting down studies will do that).

Oh. And he is allegedly a big bigot for refusing to acknowledge the emotional effect it has on players to not be able to play as their new sex. And has a phobic bias (and so does science and logic).

We have the Paralympics.
Time for Trans sports.
A place for Trans to enjoy their safe place

That is fair enough. But he did say he hates that his research is being used to call people cheats etc except that’s what they are mate, it’s a form of cheating akin to doping, the impact being the same. Any suggestion nasty women are misusing the science gets my back up

He still thinks we should be kind and inclusive, just not in rugby or other contact sports. That’s it.

I have queried this with him recently and, in his defence, he said he's not opposed to women making their arguments as to why other spaces should also be sex-segregated and they should be listened to, he's just 'staying in his lane as it were, and keeping his argument to be about sport as that's his expertise.

It should always have been a "NO" and a call for evidence to the likes of Stonewall. As it should have been in all other areas where men want access to women's spaces

And now they act surprised that the fact no one has said no , has led to the most ridiculous outcomes. As if it wasn't a completely logical result of not setting boundries.

Some of these things should have heen made very clear from the very start.

Human beings are greedy. Give an inch they will take a mile.

No one has taken responsibility for setting limits and has passed it around like a hot potato.

Its time some of these people were held accountable

It should always have been a "NO" and a call for evidence to the likes of Stonewall

^ this. Its terrible they’ve done this after the fact. It’s been done the wrong way round

It should always have been a "NO" and a call for evidence to the likes of Stonewall. As it should have been in all other areas where men want access to women's spaces.

I really hate when that argument gets made. You got what you wanted..you wanted everything equal

Oh me too.

It basically translates to a smug 'see what happens to silly girls who get out of their box?' with a side order of 'who's sorry now?'

One of the arguments is so dumb. They’ve had to repeatedly try and explain why the trans women aren’t dominating elite sports across the board. Pre transition they are mediocre men in their local park runs and shit like that. Then they go from that to competing with elite women, not necessarily winning but how could they when they’ve jumped from local event to the flipping Olympics. The fact they’ve made the jump in levels like that is unheard of for anyone, especially anyone over 20, you don’t get that much better!

It’s actually hilarious watching TRA’s argue with the scientists involved in this, there’s even one calling Tucker racist for mentioning Kenyan women runners and how good they are. I love that he gets quite blunt and calls them out for their ad hominem and shifting of goal posts. Dr Hilton is incredibly patient despite such stupidity and misogyny thrown at her by anonymous accounts.

I see one of our favourite commentor is at it again. And is also again oblivious to the fact that pushing to block puberty so women stop worrying about advantages and safety actaully prives they realise ther are advantages and dangers.

He still thinks we should be kind and inclusive, just not in rugby or other contact sports. That’s it.

Ross Tucker came onto my radar a few years ago as someone who kept saying women should 'be kind' and inclusive in sport. It's been wonderful to watch the change in him!

I have watched Ross Tucker get rather pointed in his tweets over the past day with this group. And yet, he has persisted.

Oh and the twit that used 'Beetles' to denigrate Dr Hilton's work was a classic. Like she was not even worthy of naming. Outstanding sexism there.

Beetles, Tommy Lundberg, Ross Tucker and Jon Pike (from the World Rugby summit) are putting in an unbelievable shift on twitter today with some really quite ridiculous people.

Yes I much prefer Julia’s writing on it than Brian Moore’s.

I really appreciate journalists like Janice Turner speaking out on these issues.