Stonewall Lobby World Rugby

Nigel Owens the first openly gay referee in world rugby is on the side of sanity!! Thank god - he’s a fantastic ref & I was so afraid he might turn out to be another disappointment

RT this tweet twitter.com/coachblade/status/1296466549197492225?s=21

Wow, just wow.

Or is that the IGR don’t want TW in their game because they are actually transphobic?

Women don’t want TW in their game because they are men = safety, equity, fairness.

No issues of safety, equity or fairness for the IGR.

IGR firmly believes that the underlying drive of this proposed ban is not safety, but rather the transphobia-fueled perception that trans women have natural physical advantages due to being assigned a gender marker at birth that is inconsistent with their true identity.

Good lord. That's the whole point of the, entirely unnecessary because everyone knows males are stronger than females, study.

In other news, the sky is blue water is wet.

Has anyone seen Maya Forstater's tweet about the statement Stonewall are supporting?

twitter.com/MForstater/status/1297087808285401088

Part of the statement made by International Gay Rugby:

IGR firmly believes that the underlying drive of this proposed ban is not safety, but rather the transphobia-fueled perception that trans women have natural physical advantages due to being assigned a gender marker at birth that is inconsistent with their true identity.

What.The.Fuck.

Flat earthers. Biology deniers. So fucking weird.

Sorry, I'll ask for a deletion

Are you trying to show that you can read? Please don't get this thread deleted. That would be really stupid

The comments are good, especially the one about roller derby.

Would I be right in thinking a team of gay men wouldn’t be playing against women anyway, so it’s no skin of their noses who plays on a woman’s team?

Cuculus canorus would be a good symbol for stonewall.

Mmmmmmm....

And in a separate paragraph, this describes what women are dealing with.

Stonewall have access to the same information that we have, yet they ignore it, tacitly admitting that their vision of ‘civil rights’ is impossible without the cost of dead or disabled women.

In a way, I'm quite thankful that I'm still able to be shocked by this kind of stuff. It shows that I haven't been rendered utterly cynical.

Because I am, completely shocked, that Stonewall, a mainstream charity and lobby group, are more than happy to accept that women will be killed or have life changing injuries, for the sake of the pride of a minute cohort.

It's been described as hovering near evil.

Ha, I think I know which line you mean. I will let Homer say it.

There is one line in that article (well 4 words) that are perfection. I can't repost here cos our monitors like monitoring.

I know the one you mean. Nailed it.

That is excellent by JL

There is one line in that article (well 4 words) that are perfection. I can't repost here cos our monitors like monitoring.

Any women's clubs signed up?

That's not to say that trans children or trans people aren't interested in sports or can't participate appropriately, but I'm just thinking the compatibility of top flight sport with a someone who didn't actually go through puberty, it's just not going to happen is it?

Binding is basically incompatible with sport anyway. They would pass out and protective equipment nay not fit properly over a deformed rib cage

No child who has been on puberty blockers and then cross sex hormones, with or without surgery is going to play rugby, or any competitive sport for that matter. Their bodies will be medicalised with all sorts of problems, and staying healthy and fit and out of hospitals will take a lot of work, let alone playing a sport as demanding as rugby.

Well yes, quite. It's not really the same as a top athlete having, say, managable Type 1 diabetes or something.

It does seem that, for a 'trans child' it is all encompassing both physically and emotionally. If you think about the amount of medicalisation it takes to stop a puberty from happening completely, the amount of medicalisation it takes to 'maintain' a biological male as a 'girl' and the effect that has on their body, the number of hospital appointments, the counselling, the emotional impact it all has on both the child themselves and their families (who normally in top level sport have played an enormous role in the athlete getting to that point) - it's highly unlikely that alongside all of this a child would develop a passion for and rise to the top of any sport really as well?

That's not to say that trans children or trans people aren't interested in sports or can't participate appropriately, but I'm just thinking the compatibility of top flight sport with a someone who didn't actually go through puberty, it's just not going to happen is it?

I'd be inclined to wonder whether any of them had actually watched a game of women's rugby that included TW. Some people need a visual to get that lightbulb moment.

Sorry not sure if I'm explaining that well. Obviously there will be whats considered a "normal range" if that range starts to include these low readings from medicated children then when they perform the bone scans required when a child is put on this path, their ranges are included im normal as opoosed to showing on the low side.

That’s fucking outrageous, scandalous 😱

2 of those were "inclusive" gay men's rugby clubs

Meh, if they were inclusive they would welcome gender non conforming males onto their team. Hypocrisy.

No child who has been on puberty blockers and then cross sex hormones, with or without surgery is going to play rugby, or any competitive sport for that matter. Their bodies will be medicalised with all sorts of problems, and staying healthy and fit and out of hospitals will take a lot of work, let alone playing a sport as demanding as rugby.

The argument “if you just let us medicalise all the kids’ bodies from now on to avoid male puberty, then women and girls won’t have to worry in the future” makes me rage so much 😡.

But the problem remains. Even if a new league was set up with inclusive mixed sex teams, the players with vaginas are more likely to be crippled by the players with testicles no matter which of them attend training sporting pink trainers.