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''lovestruck student who was given a wrong number by a mystery girl''

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Thelnebriati · 22/08/2020 13:56

How is 'persistent pest who won't take no for an answer and scared his victim into giving a false name, address and phone number'' a romantic story?
The only good thing is that many of the comments (even in the Sun) aren't buying it.

He is a third year psychology student. He is going to be working with vulnerable people. Should one of his tutors take him to one side and have a chat?

www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/student-hand-writes-100-letters-18794615

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BrightYellowDaffodil · 31/08/2020 16:16

@ScrapThatThen

Blimey. Just goes to show all the “he comes across as creepy” is borne out by reality. I hope he never catches up with poor “Amy”.

VirginiaComet · 29/08/2020 21:35

Ugh. Normalising this kind of behaviour as 'romantic' just gaslights women Confused

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 29/08/2020 18:43

In Gavin de Becker's The Gift of Fear he talks about how the media/movies have encouraged the idea of persistence as a rewarding strategy for men

Reminded me of this

www.cracked.com/blog/how-men-are-trained-to-think-sexual-assault-no-big-deal/

ScrapThatThen · 29/08/2020 17:54

I house shared with this guy at uni. He seemed ok at first. Then we realised he had taken our friends number from our phone book and asked her to an event (she thought we were coming too and we knew). And he boasted about seeing this beautiful girl in town, following her home, then returning to her door with a bouquet of flowers. People were saying how romantic! I said how creepy. Then he lost it one day about us having the light on in the day (bills) and shouted at us and punched the door. Me and my other housemate had to move out, we were too scared to stay.

Cailleach1 · 29/08/2020 17:38

Looked for the 'story' and found it here. I hope girls are savvy about giving their true identity to randoms and Margaret or whoever is off the radar of this hunt. If I was the girl, I'd be having a talk with the police.

One of the comments says 'I hope you find your Amy'.

www.ladbible.com/news/uk-man-writes-more-than-100-letters-to-woman-who-gave-him-wrong-number-20200820

Muser314 · 29/08/2020 13:24

I found it DID work. It was just incredibly awkward. LIke it was ''rude'' not to find your boss attractive if he came on to you. Or ''rude'' not to have any interest in somebody random who expressed interest in you a potential 'interest'.
In my experience being blunt that you'd no interest in them and not hiding behind the usual shield of ''oh we work together'' or ''it's not appropriate because you're married'' or whatever did work, but as many women also instinctively sense, it's a risk. It's an injury to a man's ego and that is a danger to women.

I find you unattractive is the quickest way to get rid of creep but it is also the most risky way to reject a dangerous creep.

Women are walking this tightrope.

SomeDyke · 29/08/2020 13:06

"But actually, telling them you're not interested doesn't work.... And a lot of the time, neither does pretending to be a lesbian..."

Nor being a lesbian. I was at an academic summer school once as a student, and despite being a totally out dyke, some bloke kept following me. The other blokes I was hanging out with (male-dominated subject), laughed about it a bit. Eventually creepy bloke asked if I was a strict lesbian and would I ever consider.......I said I would rather eat my own vomit......

Freaked me out for much of the summer school, rather than concentrating on the subject matter, or finding interesting conversations during breaks and making contacts, I was just continually trying to avoid Mr (trying to be Dr) Creepy.

It really does not matter what you say or do to say NO, you weigh as nothing compared to their wishes.

BameChange123 · 29/08/2020 09:29

Here's the link,I think said bloke is studying at the same uni?! 😮

www.nottingham.ac.uk/vision/misogyny-matters

BameChange123 · 29/08/2020 09:24

Well hopefully "Amy" will avoid the coffee shop "Wired" in Nottingham where he works and perhaps someone from the University might have a word with him. Amy is well within her rights to contact Notts Police about his misogyny as they are very supportive in dealing with that apparently.

Vinosaurus · 24/08/2020 20:31

Reminds me of my stalker - I moved house and he still managed to track me down, and this was in the days before social media!

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/08/2020 19:39

@DianasLasso

But actually, telling them you're not interested doesn't work.... And a lot of the time, neither does pretending to be a lesbian...

Of course it doesn't. Men like that believe only male ownership matters. And they think (thanks to porn) lesbianism is an act for their titillation to be cast aside when the right man (them) shows up.

Neither does being married half the time. I had a man in East Africa chat me up. I had a wedding ring on, mentioned my DH (who was real) and he said, "we all know you Western girls wear rings and aren't really married". Yeah mate, if I'm going to all that trouble, it doesn't matter either way because I'm clearly not interested.
CalmConfident · 24/08/2020 08:32

Back in the mid 90s a friends flatmate said a bloke had been staring at her the whole way on the train from Uni town > Home and freaked her out.

The next week he turned up on TV on This Morning and in one of the tabloids “desperately seeking Love at first sight brunette on train”. Needless to say she did not get in touch, but was always worried about seeing him again and got lifts home as was worried about the train.

GoneEffinCrazy · 24/08/2020 08:19

She must have deliberately given the wrong number. I used to do that when I was scared to say no, however many odd years ago.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 24/08/2020 08:15

Can’t think why she wasn’t interested

I know - such a snappy dresser!

gardenbird48 · 24/08/2020 08:09

I’m so proud of my DD age 14 - The Notebook came on the tv and it is billed as a romantic drama. She said eugh that movie is so terrible so I asked why (I haven’t seen it). All her friends said it was so romantic so she watched it. She summarised the plot for me: man meets girl who isn’t interested in him. Man muscles in on her date with someone else and threatens to kill himself if she doesn’t go out with him. She gives in (with some encouragement from bystanders - male) and they go out. He encourages her to do dangerous things like lie down in the middle of the road (!) and it doesn’t really go anywhere and she manages to ditch him. He writes her a letter every day for a year (sounds familiar) which sensibly her mum hides but he doesn’t know that and persists regardless of the lack of response.
She gets married to someone but the stalker guy finds her and pressures her into getting together with him again. She develops dementia and forgets who he is (!) and he ditches his kids (who beg him to go back to them as they do know who he is) because romantic.
Hmm sounds pretty grim to me - no romance in stalking and harassing someone for a lifetime. I mentioned this current situation about stalker boy in park and DD knows all about fake phone numbers and why they are given out.
She hasn’t had anything to do with boys romantically yet but I’m so happy that she will not be a pushover.

MsTSwift · 24/08/2020 07:24

Can’t think why she wasn’t interested 🙄

They often turn nasty when you say no don’t they?

Watching a silly program Selling Sunset and one client was persistently hitting on one of the female agents. She dealt with it so well think she was Israeli so didn’t do that simpering flirtything rabbitwoman describes was watching with my early teen girls and was a good example .

nevermorelenore · 24/08/2020 00:21

The news story in OP is gone but I googled and found the guy. This must be the same interesting ensemble he wore on their date. Yikes.

Notredamn · 23/08/2020 23:30

More than once, not wanting to give my number, I've said I'll take theirs. They don't like that. 'No I need your number cos I bet you won't get in touch if I give you mine'. Well....no! You can tell I'm not interested but want to insert yourself into my life regardless

midgebabe · 23/08/2020 21:38

@twoHopes

I almost gave it out of panic and not wanting to be unkind

It doesn't happen as much to me anymore but my tactic was always to say that I have a boyfriend. And then if they persisted I would insinuate that my boyfriend is a very aggressive, jealous type (in order to scare them off). It's sad to have to resort to that but it worked quite well.

I think part of the problem is this idea that women aren't supposed to approach men and that we're all coyly waiting for some handsome fella to come over ask us out. Even in online dating I hear women say "oh you can't message a guy after you match with them, you have to wait for them to message you". What? Why?!

Reminds me of mr Collins in pride and prejudice.. just because she says no she is just being demure
twoHopes · 23/08/2020 21:25

I almost gave it out of panic and not wanting to be unkind

It doesn't happen as much to me anymore but my tactic was always to say that I have a boyfriend. And then if they persisted I would insinuate that my boyfriend is a very aggressive, jealous type (in order to scare them off). It's sad to have to resort to that but it worked quite well.

I think part of the problem is this idea that women aren't supposed to approach men and that we're all coyly waiting for some handsome fella to come over ask us out. Even in online dating I hear women say "oh you can't message a guy after you match with them, you have to wait for them to message you". What? Why?!

FoxBaseBeta · 23/08/2020 20:19

Eugh, I had a similar situation years ago. Guy stopped me and asked for directions, it was slightly convoluted trying to explain and I was going to roughly the same place. Long story short, I walked him there, made polite but clearly not interested conversation and at the end he really wanted my number, I almost gave it out of panic and not wanting to be unkind Confused but just gave a wrong number in the end...

SunsetBeetch · 23/08/2020 17:15

Sounds like a lot of my nights out, rabbitwoman. So annoying!

fascinated · 23/08/2020 16:58

@rabbitwoman

i really object when i am on a night out with just the ladies and men - or a group of men - decide to come and join us, uninvited. It's ladies night, we want to gossip and catch up, not spend our time making small talk with blokes we have no interest in....

i am usually very cold and unfriendly towards them, sometimes going so far as to say that we don't want to talk to them, we want to talk to each other. However, my pals nearly always chat, flirt, laugh, giggle - then complain that the uninvited fellows won't leave them alone... this has happened dozens of times, from when i was young and absolutely gorgeous to just earlier this year before lockdown (45years and counting..)

one of them once did the old 'can we pretend to be lesbians so he will go away' routine. I said 'no, you are flirting and chatting with him so he thinks you are interested, just tell him to go away and stop flirting!' a few minutes later, she said 'i have told him i have a boyfriend, he still won't go away.'

So i said, why are you still chatting with him, then. Tell him to go away. Be rude. You are acting as though you are interested and he is not listening to what you are saying, he is reacting to your body language.

She said that she was too scared to tell straight in case he got nasty.... this really concerned me ..... i am perhaps not afraid enough of men and will get gobby and unfriendly very quickly if they don't leave me alone..... but obviously other women are too timid, too scared of how men react, too polite maybe?

So we always react positively to unwanted attention. So that's maybe where men get the idea it is WANTED attention?

How many men have to negotiate this minefield on a boys' night out!!??

I was taught to be very clear that I wasn’t interested lest it be seen as asking for it/playing hard to get which i was told was unfair on the men! Unhelpful in some ways, but also helpful!
SentientAndCognisant · 23/08/2020 13:45

You were so elegant, genuine and sexy
Wet boak

ThePangolinsRevenge · 23/08/2020 13:21

‘You were so elegant, genuine and sexy’. Yuk.