A Transchild, the Tavistock, Mermaids and GenderGP

At what age did little Arthur stop believing in Santa Claus?

One thing I found interesting was the way certain behaviours were being praised in arthur - because these were behaviours/mannerisms that are praised in males and not females. Etc eating loads, being cheeky.

I'm sure when the little girl they have becomes a teen she would not be praised if she displayed those mannerisms. Similarly, if Arthur had not transitioned, did not have a trans identity - would these behaviours be seen in the same way?

If you listen to the audio, there's a pause between "yes" and "Mermaids". I think "yes" is in response to asking if they were with the NHS, and "Mermaids" is in answer to the more general question "what was your journey to finding GenderGP".

Jesus Christ, let the child speak!

Arthur hardly gets a word in, the mum keeps taking over.

Apparently the full hearing is in July this year. According to Trustpilot reviews there are a number of customer unhappy with the level of service she provides as well - quick to take the money but then response times are very slow.

twitter.com/StoatlyL/status/1355505959184048140

Helen Webberley is only interim suspended atm which means that there must be a substantive hearing coming up at some point.

Dr Mike Webberly was then suspended in May 2019, and GenderGP moved to Spain where I think Mermaids could possibly aver it was “lawfully provided services” according to maybe Spanish laws, but definitely not that it is “regulated by the GMC”. Because it isn’t. Because it’s not in the UK.
Helen W’s criminal conviction was December 2018.

The whole Big Lottery document is just unbelievable!!!

This is back in February 2019 when one Webberly was suspended from practicing medicine while a General Medical Council investigation took place.

www.tnlcommunityfund.org.uk/news/press-releases/2019-02-19/outcome-of-review-of-proposed-mermaids-grant

At the end of page 18 and start of page 19. This allegation Is 10.3 (f) “Mermaids continues to feature the GP Practice on their website. This has the potential to cause misunderstanding and draw negative attention to the organisation given the controversial nature of the issue as well as leaving the organisation open to such allegations”. “Mermaids should consider the implications of this and review the appropriateness of retaining details of the practice on their website at least until the current GMC inquiry is resolved.”

Mermaids response is page 39
“Mermaids aver that they not refer directly to any private GP. Mermaids also do not, and would not refer, to any suspended GP.”
“Mermaids avers that linking to a private general practice page is different from linking to a page of a particular doctor, suspended or otherwise. If the practice is lawfully providing services and is regulated by the GMC then linking to it cannot bring the National Lottery into disrepute.”
“Mermaids keeps the information under constant review and if there is any regulatory or disciplinary issue with any practice to which the site links then Mermaids will remove any link.”

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20181006110441/www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/resources-for-parents.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20181006110441/www.mermaidsuk.org.uk/resources-for-parents.html

I can see an Andrew Gillian tweet February 19 2019. “The lottery review into Mermaids claims there is “no evidence” it referred child patients to Helen Webberly, the criminal, now suspended GP.”

Today Mermaids tweeted a trans-friendly make up tips blog. Nothing unusual, for instance the last of the 4 tips is find the mascara that suits you... nothing but specially trans about it... but Mermaids are openly retweeting “GenderGP” and openly sending their followers to the “GenderGP” website.

mobile.twitter.com/Mermaids_Gender/status/1302982735435362311
Weren’t they asked to stop recommending the Webberleys?
Anyone know how often Mermaids retweet GenderGP these days?

It was the sport thing that finally got my dd to realise that the whole rosy gender be who really want thing was tosh. For about three or four years (puberty, funny old thing) she has consistently pushed back against her sex. I get it - I pointed out to her that I had short hair, wore combats and DMs and went by ‘George’, but my status as a mother of 3 made it impossible to believe that this could be a transitory phase for her. She’s on an athlete training program. It eventually came to a head when I pointed out that her transitioning and taking T would make her faster, (she’s shit scared of doping), and she sort of realised that transitioning would be the end of her career - but that wasn’t the killer. The nail in the gender woo coffin was that ANY of her male team mates could wake up and decide they were girls, and race as such. Definitively in juniors, and we all know Rachel/ Ivy (who has been alarmingly quiet of late) is campaigning for no corrections to natural testosterone to be needed for male ‘women’ athletes.
I am extremely honest with dd. Arthur’s parents need to be just as bloody honest!!!

With wait times being what they are for all NHS gender services (adult and paediatric) and the NHS rule of blockers for a year before cross sex hormones, I would have almost no doubt that GenderGP prescribe hormones to more adolescents (male and female) than the NHS does.

Without ever meeting these children, without any psychiatric or psychological assessment, without proper oversight.

That they can get away with it by moving abroad and allegedly employing some unnamed Spanish doctors to sign the actual prescriptions is beyond me. Where is the point in a register of doctors if you can carry on your private business when professionally suspended?

I would love to know what proportion of families are advised by Mermaids that the child is not trans, that something else is going on.

I would guess at never. Seriously...seems parents often say it might be something else going on, not 'trans identity' or something, and parents told this view is abusive and wrong and child knows and better to have a trans id than a dead one, etc etc.'

Manipulative abusers, mermaids are tbh.

Scare the shit out of parents, to get kids drugged for life because they like the wrong toys, and WHY?

Makes me so angry.

At least the NHS has stopped lieing now though and they actually tell parents blockers are not a 'harmless stop gap' like they used to say...that they ever sold them as that is just vile.

I have been doing karate since I was Arthur's age. Never been Olympics material, but I enjoy it and I love sparring. Arthur's mother plainly doesn't do karate. Even without mumsnet and feminism chat in my life, if I had a female child who wished to live as a boy and who had athletic ambitions, I would be telling them they couldn't have physical transition and follow their Olympic dreams. Arthur will not be able to compete against the best natal males later, and hormones will make him ineligible to compete on the women's team, because it counts as doping.

I see this easily, because I actually spar men. Post puberty, as an adult woman against other adults, I can only win in casual practice matches against men if they hold back their punches, to let me win on technical skill alone. No-one is going to do that in official matches with medals and sponsorship at stake. They will just overwhelm a physically weaker opponent through brute force.

It's as fair as sending a featherweight boxing champion in to fight a heavyweight champion.

In the past I have been literally sent flying across sports halls by teenage boys by accident during
karate classes because they didn't know their own strength yet and they assumed their fellow teen was still a match for them. To be fair, it rarely happened more than once because like most martial arts clubs, my club was run by instructors who didn't tolerate loss of control in classes. But for this reason, official competitions were strictly separated by sex, as otherwise, no girl would have got a look in.

In addition to being suspended, Helen Webberley has a criminal conviction for running an illegal clinic.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3385789-Helen-Webberley-found-guilty

Some more threads about the Webberleys

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3598778-Dr-Helen-and-Dr-Mike-Webberley-matters-of-public-record

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3588654-dr-mike-webberley-suspended

Whole page here with info on 'collaboration'

www.gendergp.com/collaboration/

GenderGP’s Working with Your Doctor page:

www.gendergp.com/working-with-your-gp/

There’s a bit about the “barriers” some people have encountered with their GPs so they now use a better model! Making it even easier to get early teen girls in testosterone! Hurrah!

“GenderGP is a platform through which people can access all manner of support including medical support, where appropriate. We work with a network of doctors who have all been carefully selected due to their training, qualifications and passion for gender-affirming care. It has been necessary to adapt our model due to the significant barriers which can face doctors wanting to work with gender variant people.”

I outlined my mermaids experience to the teacher recommending this and she was horrified, they get given some leaflets and don't research it themselves, but she said that she was told this is the advice they have, so she has to keep recommending mermaids to anyone who asks for help.

This should be a national scandal. Has anyone complained to the Department for Education?

You’d only need your GP to work with GenderGP if you wanted the NHS to cover the cost of treatment. If you’re paying privately, your GP does not need to be involved. I think GenderGP works with (or owns?) Gender Heathcare, a nursing service here in the UK, who can administer the injections and carry out the necessary blood tests privately for you and you can send the results on to GenderGP.

Not sure how struck off doctors living abroad can write prescriptions for presentation here in the UK though, unless someone here is signing them off? Or doesn’t that matter if it’s private?

I was really hoping I’d misunderstood - bloody hell!

rogdmum you must get so frustrated and I better understand why some people think GenderGP are more of a concern than Mermaids. I would agree now too. It’s all so unremarked upon, and they just quietly continue processing children onto a lifelong medical pathway, and they’re bloody suspended. What’s the point of sanctions.

”GMC advice states that GPs must co-operate with gender identity clinics and specialists to provide effective and timely treatment for trans and non-binary people.”

It doesn't say GP's can refer to organisations with suspended licences though. I would have thought GP's going against that are in danger of being suspended. Otherwise what's the point of sanctions for GP's

Can't be right

What I would like as a first step is for GenderGP to be forced to release the numbers of U.K. children/adolescents they have OK’d for puberty blockers and/or cross sex hormones. I could be wrong but I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s higher year on year than the Tavi.

Also worth bearing in mind that sometimes GPs are put in a difficult position where a young person is self medicating or threatening to. Estrogen is fairly easily bought online.