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Caitlin Moran's new book - feminism is for women and men.

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irishfeminist · 21/08/2020 07:22

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/caitlin-morans-more-than-a-woman-from-life-lessons-to-sex-advice-2pmn3d2kf

Bet you can't wait for this.

"But life for men, in the past 120 years, has remained almost exactly the same – save for the fact that men now don’t, generally, wear top hats. Or cummerbunds. Modern men have problems, too – suicide is the largest cause of death for men under 50; divorcing men tend not to get primary custody of their children; and I’ve lost count of the number of men who have said, if a child needed help in a playground, they would have to find a woman to offer aid: “People just presume you’re a paedophile.” There is something impossibly sad about this. Humans are programmed to want to help others. To make half our population feel that they can’t – that they are, just because of who they are, a threat – is a terrible position to put boys and men in.

I gradually realised that if feminism is “the belief in the social, political, economic and personal equality of the sexes”, then that meant it is for women and men. All of us. In 2020, my feminism has become unisex, and the chapters about men are some of the ones I’m most excited about."

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Humbersider · 21/08/2020 07:46

I especially love the implication that women should stop worrying about paedophiles because it makes men feel bad Confused

IHeartSusanDey · 21/08/2020 07:43

Laughable. Another professional feminist who has decided the cookies from men are only going to come if she shoves women out of the way in our own movement.

beargrass · 21/08/2020 07:42

@twoHopes

But life for men, in the past 120 years, has remained almost exactly the same – save for the fact that men now don’t, generally, wear top hats

I don't even know where to start with this crock of nonsense.

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anotherhumanfemale · 21/08/2020 07:41

@SocialMedea

She seems to know what a man is.

I thought CM was somebody who didn't know what a woman was anymore. I was expecting that paragraph to read quite differently!

I'm confused now as I really though she - if I'm allowed to assume a pronoun here - was slightly confused about who women actually are.

BadgertheBodger · 21/08/2020 07:40

I find her absolutely maddening because she constantly skirts around the edges of “getting it” then sinks right back into the libfem mire she has made for herself. Feminism is not for men or unisex FFS. What really rules me up is that she’s prominent enough that people listen to her, so her ridiculous notions are taken up by other people.

MillieEpple · 21/08/2020 07:38

I suppose its if you fall on the equalities movement side rather than the liberation o movement side and how well you think we have progressed in either aim.
Although it was Emmeline P who said 'we have to free half the human race, the women, so they can free the other half'
I still like my feminisism to be centred on women though.

twoHopes · 21/08/2020 07:34

But life for men, in the past 120 years, has remained almost exactly the same – save for the fact that men now don’t, generally, wear top hats

I don't even know where to start with this crock of nonsense.

SocialMedea · 21/08/2020 07:31

She seems to know what a man is.

MistressMounthaven · 21/08/2020 07:25

I'll give this one a miss, I think.