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What sex were you assigned at birth asks Covid Symptom Study

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Areyouactuallyseriousrightnow · 20/08/2020 15:32

The Covid Symptom Study, developed by health science company Zoe, with data being analysed by Kings College London, and endorsed by various large public bodies, asks participants to confirm the sex they were ‘assigned’ at birth.
It doesn’t appear to even be conflating this with gender as gender is a separate question.
If a major health science company is using biologically impossible terminology, what hope is there?
If I can figure out how to question this with them, I will.

What sex were you assigned at birth asks Covid Symptom Study
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DianasLasso · 20/08/2020 16:34

Because I selected 'other' under gender the next page asked about his menstrual cycle. I went back and changed gender to male and it no longer asked about his menstrual cycle. So the menstrual cycle question was linked to the gender answer not the sex answer. Which makes no sense.

That's worth an email, presumably, as it could screw up their results. (Sounds like a coding error with the form design - the follow-up question is linked to the wrong field.)

ArabellaScott · 20/08/2020 16:29

Sex is often observed in utero.

Faster800 · 20/08/2020 16:27

I saw this too! I was filling out on behalf of my husband, I selected male for 'assigned at birth' and then 'other' for gender and just wrote 'i was observed to be a biological male at birth' (I wrote a longer diatribe but it was character limited!)

Because I selected 'other' under gender the next page asked about his menstrual cycle. I went back and changed gender to male and it no longer asked about his menstrual cycle. So the menstrual cycle question was linked to the gender answer not the sex answer. Which makes no sense.

Gottalife · 20/08/2020 16:27

It's not difficult. Sex assinged at birth = sex assumed by the midwife from a quick glance between the legs. It is also recorded on your birth cerificate in the box labelled "sex".
Of course unless your bc has been corrected at any time...

ArabellaScott · 20/08/2020 16:26

'registered' at birth is good, I think. Takes the heat out of it. It's a neutral, factual term.

ArabellaScott · 20/08/2020 16:25

Yeah, I remember discussing this earlier in the year. The Zoe study had started by asking very clearly for sex - male or female - then there was a bit of a backlas from genderists, and they introduced various odd questions about HRT and gender etc.

Burnout101 · 20/08/2020 16:24

I like 'registered at birth', makes it more obvious your sex is already set, just someone happens to notice it, I didn't get 'assigned' a sex from the magic book of gender snowflakes.

AryaStarkWolf · 20/08/2020 16:21

Not good for health stats at all, what's the actual point?

My brother just told me he got his 11 year old sons club membership soccer form to fill out and instead of the usual sex (or gender) section it asked "What gender does your child identify As" (I'm in Ireland)

DianasLasso · 20/08/2020 16:19

@Cwenthryth

Oh, that’s disappointing to say the least! I signed up to be contactable for covid vaccine studies the other day via NHS website - I thought these phrasings of the sex & gender questions were quite good - I think both us gender criticals & die-hard genderists could answer these truthfully and they still get meaningful info.
I signed up for this too and thought they'd come up with as good a wording as they could.
ErrolTheDragon · 20/08/2020 16:16

Xpost - Sex registered at birth is a much better solution to that qualm than 'assigned'. It's neutral and factual.

ErrolTheDragon · 20/08/2020 16:14

Maybe they feel they have to use that ridiculous term to avoid a few people giving inaccurate information. Hmm There are a few TW who assert they are female, and quite possibly would say they've always been so because "ladybrain" trumps actual sex in their dogma.

Cwenthryth · 20/08/2020 16:11

Oh, that’s disappointing to say the least! I signed up to be contactable for covid vaccine studies the other day via NHS website - I thought these phrasings of the sex & gender questions were quite good - I think both us gender criticals & die-hard genderists could answer these truthfully and they still get meaningful info.

What sex were you assigned at birth asks Covid Symptom Study
What sex were you assigned at birth asks Covid Symptom Study
What sex were you assigned at birth asks Covid Symptom Study
Thingybob · 20/08/2020 16:07

At least they are making it clear that the information that want is biological sex not gender or how one feels inside

TheShoesa · 20/08/2020 16:05

I got an invitation to take part in the ONS/Oxford University COVID Infection Study and it says that I will be asked about my gender. So potentially lots of money being thrown at a study which produces meaningless data.

I KNOW most people will read it as meaning sex, but knowing what I know, I can't let it lie and will be calling and emailling to ask some questions. I know that this is ultimately pointless, but personally I think that this creeping change of language needs addressing every single time.