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JKR - French national radio

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coldcolder · 20/08/2020 10:25

So there's just been a "discussion" on French radio station France Inter about JKR. No look at what she actually said, just a statement of fact that she sent an anti-Trans tweet. Apparently there's been a big reduction in Harry Potter sales compared with what might be expected at this time of year. They mentioned the "cancellation culture" for people who have "retrograde views", and that fans were anyway pissed off with her for insisting on controlling the Harry Potter world by writing sequels, which prevented them from imagining it for themselves.
I'd put money on the person reporting it never having read the tweet.

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Datun · 21/08/2020 10:31

Most people would be deeply troubled by a platform like Twitter manipulating public opinion by deleting likes.

What troubles me is how blatant it is, and how there is no recourse.

JK Rowling's own publisher, I believe, has said she's never been more popular. So I don't think this business is even on the radar of the vast majority of her fans.

And, I suspect even if it was, they would agree with everything she has said. Let's face it, it's not exactly controversial - only amongst a certain set.

DialSquare · 20/08/2020 18:26

@nauticant

I also meant to say that I am horrified at the disappearing limes. Citrusphobia is one of the worst phobias.
I expect a rise in scurvy cases.
Wondersense · 20/08/2020 18:20

@Bloomburger

Only the self absorbed youth of today would complain about an author writing a sequel and it impacting on them by preventing them from imagining it themselves.

FGS. I hope they get their heads wobbled when they go out into the big wide world!

I grew up with Harry Potter and I'm concerned that today's younger in their 20s have a real problem with the idea of a creative person having total freedom over their own work. People expect to have a say in someone else's creative output, to be able to dictate what happens to the characters, to decide what their ethnicities or sexual preferences are and they can get terribly upset or angry if they can't. I'm a millennial person who is involved in the creative industries and so I spend a lot of time online, including Tumbr (which is a strange place).

It's bizarre. It's like they cannot understand the concept that these things come out of the head of a human being. They think that person plucked their ideas out of a collective ether and therefore the public have a right to it, to steal it, to dictate what the person can and cannot do with their own work. It's controlling and unhealthy.

Wondersense · 20/08/2020 18:12

Wankers. She's the one who created that world so she can do what the hell she likes with it......oh sorry I forgot she's a woman so that must been she must give up the work of her life so that others can control it for her.

Dmtush · 20/08/2020 17:52

I’ve just checked (I only use twatter to moan at companies and log in rarely) and found my follow and likes of her are missing.

Regardless she’s clever enough to know that twitter isn’t in tune with the real world in the slightest.

Isn’t she lovely replying to all the artwork too?

nauticant · 20/08/2020 17:22

I also meant to say that I am horrified at the disappearing limes. Citrusphobia is one of the worst phobias.

nauticant · 20/08/2020 17:21

So what does JKR do? Look at Emma Watson's twitter likes and decide to start tweeting stuff based on the "new biology" that human beings can change sex? Think "I can't tweet anti-science so I guess I'll have to be silent"? Or remind herself in a resigned fashion that in a climate of abject fear and craven backing-downs, that someone who's big enough needs to take a stand?

AnyOldPrion · 20/08/2020 17:12

You can buy Twitter “likes” anyway, which indicates the utter unreliability of using those as a means of assessing popularity.

Given that Twitter has capped Joanne Rowling‘s Tweets at a ludicrously low number, very likely the opposite is occurring when it comes to Emma Watson’s.

Twitter supports Yaniv, after all... which tells you all you need to know about their moral and ethical stance on these matters.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 20/08/2020 17:11

Yep - just looked and my limes disappeared too 🤷‍♀️

Collidascope · 20/08/2020 17:09

Only the self absorbed youth of today would complain about an author writing a sequel and it impacting on them by preventing them from imagining it themselves.

I genuinely don't understand it. Surely you just wouldn't read/watch it...? I liked Harry Potter but never felt any urge to read the follow-ups.

It feels a bit like those people who comment on articles, saying, "What a pointless article! I'm not interested in this!"
Well, ignore it then! Obviously some people are interested in it, and no one's got a fucking gun to your head making you read it!

Collidascope · 20/08/2020 17:04

Less than a fifth of the UK population are on Twitter, I think. And even then most people aren't properly active on it. It's a few people (largely white, university-educated, reasonably well off, and who have the time to dick about on there) making a lot of noise. 1 million likes or retweets might look impressive but it's a drop in the ocean of actual people out there, and certainly not representative.

Bloomburger · 20/08/2020 16:59

Only the self absorbed youth of today would complain about an author writing a sequel and it impacting on them by preventing them from imagining it themselves.

FGS. I hope they get their heads wobbled when they go out into the big wide world!

ArabellaScott · 20/08/2020 16:54

Twitter fads are as trustworthy as unicorn farts.

CF the last election.

BilboBercow · 20/08/2020 16:00

Twitter isn't reflective of reality and funnily enough JKR is making more money than ever so I'm sure she'll bear it well enough

littlbrowndog · 20/08/2020 15:34

I like JKR tweets

It dissapers. And so on

merrymouse · 20/08/2020 15:34

Of course there are those that would say this doesn't 'mean anything' but i'm sure it would, if the stats were the other way round and she was proving more popular than Emma Watson.

Yes, people who judge the value of any statement according to likes on twitter are deluded. Saying 'people would argue the opposite if it were the other way round' doesn't make Emma Watson's statement more profound. It's still meaningless.

Goosefoot · 20/08/2020 15:25

@merrymouse

Yet Roald Dahl is on record as saying that Hitler might have had a point and no one cares.

I don't think Roald Dahl ever had fans that complained he had too much control over the world of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - or if he did they certainly weren't organising themselves into a 'community' and they weren't on Tumblr. They would have been on a list at the local police station.

I feel like Dhal would not have had much time for people like that, and he might even have written something rude about them.
LillianBland · 20/08/2020 14:44

[quote Lisz]Interesting that Emma Watson's tweet suporting trans people has had close to a million 'likes' which is about three times as many as even the most liked of JKR's on the subject. JKR's more recent tweets have dwindled much further away still and she's lucky to get a few thousand likes. Of course there are those that would say this doesn't 'mean anything' but i'm sure it would, if the stats were the other way round and she was proving more popular than Emma Watson.

The losses she's making on her follower count have been extraordinary too; quietly she currently loses hundreds sometimes thousands of followers each day; twenty thousand this month alone. There's a bad 'vibe' about her and weirdly it's not going away.

Things like this probably don't help matters
www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/gop-senator-quotes-j-k-rowling-while-blocking-vote-lgbtq-n1231569[/quote]
So can you explain why many people are complaining that their likes on JK’s tweets JK’s keep disappearing, yet there have been no similar complaints, regarding Watson’s?

Twitter, the medium that bans women for saying people can’t change sex, yet let posters remain that make death and rape threats towards women, including JK. I think we all know what is going on.

merrymouse · 20/08/2020 14:43

Yet Roald Dahl is on record as saying that Hitler might have had a point and no one cares.

I don't think Roald Dahl ever had fans that complained he had too much control over the world of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory - or if he did they certainly weren't organising themselves into a 'community' and they weren't on Tumblr. They would have been on a list at the local police station.

FlamingoAndJohn · 20/08/2020 14:34

Yet Roald Dahl is on record as saying that Hitler might have had a point and no one cares.

FlamingoAndJohn · 20/08/2020 14:31

[quote Lisz]Interesting that Emma Watson's tweet suporting trans people has had close to a million 'likes' which is about three times as many as even the most liked of JKR's on the subject. JKR's more recent tweets have dwindled much further away still and she's lucky to get a few thousand likes. Of course there are those that would say this doesn't 'mean anything' but i'm sure it would, if the stats were the other way round and she was proving more popular than Emma Watson.

The losses she's making on her follower count have been extraordinary too; quietly she currently loses hundreds sometimes thousands of followers each day; twenty thousand this month alone. There's a bad 'vibe' about her and weirdly it's not going away.

Things like this probably don't help matters
www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/gop-senator-quotes-j-k-rowling-while-blocking-vote-lgbtq-n1231569[/quote]
The problem with taking the number of likes that something gets on Twitter as an indication of anything is that it’s a self selecting group.

coldcolder · 20/08/2020 14:28

It's the same figures as the ones they talked about on the radio.

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ValancyRedfern · 20/08/2020 14:28

My like on all of JKRs tweets has disappeared whenever I check them back. So I don't trust any counting of likes as being remotely accurate, even with twitter skewing to an Emma Watson-like demographic.

coldcolder · 20/08/2020 14:27

This is probably where the information comes from:
www.forbes.com/sites/emmapocock/2020/07/19/us-harry-potter-book-sales-underperforming-according-to-recent-industry-figures/#3cbc2ee3464b

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TheHeartbeat · 20/08/2020 14:15

The thing is with that Emma Watson tweet. It was a general “trans are who they are.” tweet. There was nothing about Jk Rowling in there so people don’t really have to know the situation.

Its a perfect general statement that anyone can just like away without care.

Jk Rowlings tweets were truthful but uncomfortable. Something that goes against the propaganda they try to do.

Emma Watson hasn’t even tweeted support for Mermaids after BBC dumped them. What does that say?