Joe Biden's plans for LGBT+

It sounds like a terrible idea but the Dem Convention did the delegate count from each state virtually and it was much more moving than showing it in the convention hall. In location seeing the wide variety of people who are Dems and the reasons why.

Voting for a Clinton, an Obama, or a Biden will do nothing for them.

There is a kind of gaslighting going on when you suggest to people that they can only affect this stuff if they get out and vote Democrat

Of course Democrat supporters believe this. Normal politics hasn’t disappeared and people still have beliefs about policy. That isn’t gaslighting, it is politics.

However, an American President from either party might at least be expected to care about California wildfires. Trump just sees a state that is irrelevant because it is blue.

America’s problem’s won’t be solved by getting rid of the conman with a personality disorder, but that doesn’t make removing the conman with a personality disorder less of a priority.

That's the fundamental problem. There is no reason to think a Democratic win will do a damn thing for anyone except the 1%. There are every bit as dedicated to that constituency as the Republicans have been.

There is a kind of gaslighting going on when you suggest to people that they can only affect this stuff if they get out and vote Democrat, or maybe it's a sort of delusion. They don't ignore it because they don't care, the problem is they don't think it will happen, and all the evidence supports that. It makes it worse when you tell them they are stupid, when they are completely acting in an evidence based way. Voting for a Clinton, an Obama, or a Biden will do nothing for them.

Admittedly haven’t looked too deeply as I don’t plan on voting in this election
I have
We shall agree to disagree

due to Trumps vile interference with the USPS
they need to vote early

You can’t be serious. The USPS is actually really incompetent and Trump really can’t do much to influence what states do either way (he complains but that’s not the same thing as influencing)

Here’s a good article on the recent problems with USPS and mail-in voting:

www.reason.com/2020/08/04/trumps-warnings-about-voting-by-mail-mix-reasonable-concerns-with-fanciful-conspiracy-theories/%3famp

Frankly I would have low expectations for using USPS for an absentee ballot (as I’d never send important documents via USPS, too risky) but from my understanding it’s the only way? It’s a bit of a pain to get it overseas anyway.

Admittedly haven’t looked too deeply as I don’t plan on voting in this election but am still toying with the idea.

myKitty
The anti abortion women are where they are

my big concern was that threads like this were being used to split GC women off from voting

but Roe v Wade is so much bigger than TWAW
as is maternity pay
as is health care
as is contraception access

every person who can vote should vote
and due to Trumps vile interference with the USPS
they need to vote early

I have to hope that the vast majority of registered female voters in the USA care far more about the lower tiers of the Maslow pyramid and will shrug at TWAW to get Trump out

You are very mistaken to think that female voters in the US have the same kind of priorities that ones in the U.K. do. An awful lot of American women are very anti-abortion and will reliably vote along those lines.

Because of this wedge issue, you can’t rely on women voting as a bloc. It is what it is but this point often gets overlooked in foreign media.

mykitty
read the bit I lined out and then sod off with the crassness

Keeping the lights on will not change the dropping water table
which is entirely down to lack of snowpack in the Sierra
and federal water use permits

Folks in California are rather more worried about climate change induced fires burning down their communities

Or the basics of keeping the lights on, which California has been unable to do several
times in the past week. The state government is such a shit show.

It's not clear that trans issues have a very high profile in the US.

They don't seem to be discussed on e.g. the View.

Abortion and gun rights seem to loom far larger.

I have to hope that the vast majority of registered female voters in the USA care far more about the lower tiers of the Maslow pyramid
and will shrug at TWAW
to get Trump out

Folks in California are rather more worried about climate change induced fires burning down their communities
and the Redwood forest where their parents' ashes are scattered
than what people identify as

It’s more ‘oh shit, are the Democrats going to fuck this up when they could and should win this election?’

Indeed.

‘using TWAW as a reason to vote for right wingers helps the right
not women‘

I think you’re misreading the purpose of a lot of the posts on this thread.

I can’t see anyone here saying or even implying ‘Biden thinks twaw so vote Trump, people!’
It’s more ‘oh shit, are the Democrats going to fuck this up when they could and should win this election?’

Maybe things will be better with a new slate of candidates in 2024.

twitter.com/rosemcgowan/status/1296990306186014720?s=20

Its sad to watch the Democrats tell us that Joe Biden is going to save the US

I don't think many people think Biden is going to 'save the US'.

They just think he isn't a narcissistic con man who has just suggested that the FDA is trying to sabotage the vaccine trials.

'Woke' doesn't really come into it.

Biden is - by American standards- centre Left
but many of the policies he embraces are what the UK would call right of centre.

Womens' rights in the USA are an utter shambles
using TWAW as a reason to vote for right wingers helps the right
not women

I am hoping that Biden and Harris focus on the really important stuff for women

• maternity pay
• ante natal care
• general health care
• contraception
• nursery care
• abortion rights
• employment rights

Going back to trans people in the military, we are constantly told that they are so fragile that misgendering will lead to suicide. How is it then that they are also considered mentally strong enough to cope on the front line in a wartime situation?

I'm so glad I don't live in the US. Here I've become a single issue voter - whoever will stand up for sex based rights over TRA demands gets my vote. That means having to grit my teeth and vote Tory, I can do that. Never thought I would, but Labour and Lib Dem have made their contempt for women and girls clear. But in the US? I could never vote Trump, and the Dems are intent on throwing women and girls under the trans bus. I think I'd just not vote, but that's not an easy choice either given the utter state of things.

When are the left going to realise that going further left isn't going to win back the reluctant middle ground voters? Pandering to the ideologically pure on Twitter translates to lost votes in the real world. The pattern has been repeatedly proven. And yet they carry on and then can't understand why they lose.

@ListeningQuietly - yes of course, I, who have posted thousands of times over many years on everything from style to AIBU to relationships to feminism to housekeeping, am a bot employed by the Russians .

You do realise that people like you are the reason the Democrats keep losing, the reason Labour keep losing in the UK and the reason the right wing are winning all over the place - it is not because the world has suddenly become right wing, it is that the ordinary Jo and Josephine are sick and tired of Woke Intelligensia telling them that they are stupid.

But keep right on going - I have no skin in this game, as I said my DC will not be moving there now so I am just a remote bystander. But it saddens me to see the way this has all played out and all of these people have thrown women and girls and black people under a bus.

I find the multiple posters trying to discourage people from voting for Biden very interesting

Yeah, ok. Sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory to me. I mean, if you want to influence the US vote, Mumsnet isn’t really the place to go 😂

And I am not sure that a woman would be elected in the US - they are, like Ireland, very misogynistic and anti-women at heart

I kind of disagree. But I do think it would be far easier for a conservative woman to win. Kristi Noem (South Dakota governor) has been getting good buzz on the GOP side, her or Nikki Haley would have a good shot.